Talk:2019 Balakot airstrike/Archive 1

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@Orientls:, The original article title 2019 Indian Line of Control strike was based on 2016 Indian Line of Control strike. The changed title 2019 Indian Air Force strikes in Pakistan is not OK because the place in which strike was carried out is claimed by India as it own so in Pakistan is not neutral.-Nizil (talk) 05:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 Administrator note given the repeated renaming of the page, I have move-protected it for a month. Involved editors are urged to at least discuss the page title issue amongst themselves to see if easy consensus is reachable (or, use WP:RM if there are significant disagreements) before unilaterally renaming the page. Feel free to ping me or any other admin if you reach an agreement and need a change to be implemented. Abecedare (talk) 06:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

• Nizil I think the current title "2019 Balakot airstrike" selected by User:Jim7049 makes more sense as the exact location of the airstrike. --DBigXrayᗙ 07:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, agree. It makes more sense than the previous title.-Nizil (talk) 08:48, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

• Moitraanak (talk) 11:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC) I agree. Makes more sense. Also, does not infer further strikes in Pakistan.
• But Indian media is claiming multiple places of strike. How could it be single village name given? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.240.137.10 (talk) 08:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Chakote (3:58AM), Muzafarabad (3:48AM), and Balakot (3:45AM) were purportedly attacked, according to Indian media. Pakistan Army spokeswoman Ghafoor said the reports were fake, and "not a brick was broken", and invited (authorize) Indian civilian or military to inspect the locations bombed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.243.120.126 (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

• Balakot is one of 3 claimed strike locations, and not OK as a suitable title for the entire event. (43.242.116.30 (talk) 19:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC))
• --Moitraanak (talk) 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC) The Indian Foreign Secretary talks of only ONE target, "the biggest training camp of JeM in Balakot."

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Drone shot in Gujarat

twitter Pics here. Does anyone know if there was any official pic released by Press Information Bureau ? --DBigXrayᗙ 08:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC) This is possibly unrelated to the early morning incident the article is covering. No western media have reported on the contraband purportedly used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.243.120.126 (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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34.538818,73.436125 —103.255.4.4 (talk) 14:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Can you provide a source for these coordinates? This point seems to be in a forest near the border, not all that near the town of Balakot. ([1]) Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Photographs of the alleged target were broadcast on both Indian and Pakistani news, seemingly in a forested area, no campground discernable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.243.120.126 (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:OR --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 18:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Balakot location

Could someone correct the location of the attack. Pakistan defense minister and other officials claim that the strike took place 4 to 5km in Pakistan near loc. The Balakot which is mentioned by Pakistan is the one which is in Azad Kashmir. Here are Pakistani officials claims:

• https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/india-pakistan-tension-where-is-the-real-balakot-the-indian-air-force-target-1.1551168559497 Here they mentions that India struck Balakot village in Azad Kashmir. They never managed to reach Balakot town in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as per Pakistani officials claims.

Secondly, Indian officals also only mention that they hit Balakot. They never mentioned which one they hit. Here is Indian officials claims:

• https://thewire.in/security/iaf-airstrikes-in-pakistan-what-we-know-what-we-dont-know

The confusion should be cleared since both areas are different. Also from reading different news on the subject, I have seen that the 'Balakot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa' claim is only mentioned by newspapers based on their own analysis. Neither Pakistani nor Indian officials talk about Balakot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Alibaloshi12 (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Where exactly is this second Balakot? I've failed to locate it on Google Maps and it does not have a Wiki article. Jim7049 (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Jim7049 i don't know why it does not have have a wiki page. But there is a area in Pakistan part of Kashmir which is called Balakot.

In this source they talk about Balakot which is in Azad Kashmir near Line of Control: https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/india/india-pakistan-tension-where-is-the-real-balakot-the-indian-air-force-target-1.1551168559497 From the source: "The second Balakot where the Indian Air Force struck is a small village located around 4 to 5km from the Line of Control (LoC) in the Pakistan side of Kashmir. This area is mostly under the control of Pakistan army as the civilian population has already been moved out of the area due to the fear of border clashes, a highly placed official told Gulf News."

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/where-is-balakot-did-india-enter-pakistani-airspace/ from the source: "According to the reports, the Balakot in question is one in Azad Jammu Kashmir. Indian jets could only come inside Pakistani airspace for 3-4 miles."

Hence the confusion should be addressed.

Moreover, mentions of Balakot near LoC on Pakistan side of Kashmir can be found even during when ceasefire violations took place between Pakistan and India. Here is report from Pakistani media from 2018 where they talk about Indian forces shelling in Balakot sector of Azad Kashmir. https://www.dawn.com/news/1396035 From the news: Indian troops started heavy mortar shelling at about 7am in the morning, targeting civilian populations in almost all villages along the Line of Control (LoC), said Nakyal Assistant Commissioner Waleed Anwar. According to the assistant commissioner the shelling finally ceased at noon....He added that at least three people were reported injured in "Balakot". Alibaloshi12 (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Can any one fix Typo in 2019_Balakot_airstrike#Background section

In section the section 2019_Balakot_airstrike#Background the bold word should be 11 instead of 1l (the second character is actually L in lowercase )

"Detainee has admitted to volunteering to fight Jihad against the US and its allies, remaining after the events of September 1lth to continue to fight, and receiving training from the JEM. Detainee received training in Balakot, PK, a location known to house a training camp that offers both basic and advanced terrorist training on explosives and artillery. Detainee is a probable member of the JEM and as such, if released would likely gravitate back to that Islamic extremist group. The JEM espouses Jihad against the US and is directly supported by Al-Qaida." - Joint Task Force Guantanamo, 31 January 2004"

Jasonx5 (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done. No comment on whether pulling that quote from WikiLeaks is appropriate or reliable. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Current event template

I have removed the current event template, since it has already been 30 hours since the strikes finished. the reports are accurate now, official statements have also come--DBigXrayᗙ 03:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

IAF Strength edit

Pls add the following planes:- 1.) 16-Mirage 2000 H/I 2.) 2-Illyshin IL-78 MKI 3.) 1-Embraer EMB-145 Netra 4.). 1- IAI Heron 5.). unknown Sukhoi Su-30 MKI _Srijanx22_ 03:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srijanx22 (talk • contribs)

update it is 12 Mirage 2000 not 16 while 4 Su-30 were used _Srijanx22_ 03:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srijanx22 (talk • contribs)

Srijanx22 Please provide reliable sources for the content that you want to add. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Sir the report was published in front page of The Times Of India newspaper.It is a highly reputed english newspaper in the country. Also in the thier report they have mention 1 AWAC but in thier own news channel they said it was EMB-145.

_Srijanx22_ 05:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srijanx22 (talk • contribs)  

1.)Below is the link that confirms that Embraer EMB-145 Netra was used in this operation:- https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iaf-strikes-flying-in-indian-airspace-eye-in-the-sky-netra-guided-mirage-2000-jets-to-balakot-1999729 _Srijanx22_ 05:53, 27 February 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srijanx22 (talk • contribs)

Image of Mirage 2000

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  Indian Air Force Dassault Mirage 2000 during Cope India 2004
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  GWALIOR AIR FORCE STATION, India -- An Indian air force Mirage 2000 taxis into position following a Cope India 2004 sortie
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  : IAF Mirage 2000 at Aero India 2009.
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  KT211 AMD Mirage 2000TH Indian Air Force

Hi All, Please take a look at the c:Category:Mirage 2000 (Indian Air Force) and suggest the most appropriate pic for the article. I personally feel File:Dassault Mirage 2000.jpg looks best. suggestions invited. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes. File:Dassault Mirage 2000.jpg seems fitting. Apart from that, File:IAF Mirage 2000.jpg looks nice too. Shanze1 (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Shanze1 thanks, I have added the pic for now. Between the above two (which are nice pics), I preferred File:Dassault Mirage 2000.jpg since it shows the taxing jet in action while the latter is in an exhibition with stairs etc. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2019

In the second paragraph first sentence: "According to India, the jets struck a Jaish-e-Mohammed-operated militant camp at Balakot, with 1,000 kg laser-guided bombs killing around 350 militants and returned back into Indian airspace unharmed without being engaged by Pakistani aircrafts" please change the last word to aircraft as this is a collective noun that does not require the addition of the letter s to render it plural. 203.52.171.124 (talk) 06:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 06:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2019

CHANGE

2019 Balakot airstrike
Part of 2019 India–Pakistan standoff
Date 26 February 2019 (2019-02-26) Location Balakot, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan 34°27′48″N 73°19′08″E Result Destruction of JeM terror camp at Balakot.(Indian claim) No casualties or damage (Pakistani claims).
Belligerents
India Indian Air Force	Jaish-e-Mohammed (Indian claim)	Pakistan Pakistan Air Force
Commanders and leaders
Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa (CAS) Air Marshal Chandrashekharan Hari Kumar (AOC-in-C, Western Air Command)	Maulana Yousuf Azhar (Indian claim)	Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan
Units involved
Western Air Command	Unknown
Strength
12 Mirage 2000 fighter jets (Indian claim)	Unknown
Casualties and losses
Unknown
class=notpageimage| Location of the airstrike in Balakot, Pakistan 2019 Balakot airstrike/Archive 1 (Pakistan)

TO

2019 Balakot airstrike
Part of 2019 India–Pakistan standoff
Date 26 February 2019 (2019-02-26) Location Balakot, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan 34°27′48″N 73°19′08″E Result Destruction of JeM terror camp at Balakot.(Indian claim) No casualties or damage (Pakistani claims).
Belligerents
India Indian Air Force	Jaish-e-Mohammed (Indian claim)	Pakistan Pakistan Air Force
Commanders and leaders
Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa (CAS) Air Marshal Chandrashekharan Hari Kumar (AOC-in-C, Western Air Command)	Maulana Yousuf Azhar (Indian claim)	Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan
Units involved
Western Air Command	Unknown
Strength
12 Mirage 2000 fighter jets (Indian claim)	Unknown
Casualties and losses
	300+ Terrorist dead, terror camps destroyed (Indian Claim), No causalities (Pakistani Claim)
class=notpageimage| Location of the airstrike in Balakot, Pakistan 2019 Balakot airstrike/Archive 1 (Pakistan)

Heisenburgerr (talk) 08:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DBigXrayᗙ 10:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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He wants to add casualties2 = 300+ Terrorist dead, terror camps destroyed (Indian Claim), No causalities (Pakistani Claim)

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