Talk:2019 Austria Open

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2019 Austria Open

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• ... that at the 9-ball pool event 2019 Austria Open, Kamila Khodjaeva reached the quarter-finals, despite not playing a competitive match since 2016? "Bracket". billiardapps.com. Retrieved 17 June 2019."Great comeback for Khodjaeva – European Pocket Billiard Federation". europeanpocketbilliardfederation.com. Retrieved 17 June 2019.
  • ALT1:... that Jasmin Ouschan competed in both the 2019 Austria Open men's and women's event? Nachrichten, Salzburger. "Poolbillard: Billard-Queen Jasmin Ouschan fordert in St. Johann die Herren". sn.at. Retrieved 17 June 2019.

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Created/expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 08:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC).

• The sources seem to be a bit...contradictory? The article from the Salzburger Nachrichten says that she's defending her women's title (which seems to contradict the main hook proposed), and that in addition she's playing in the general division as well (which might be made up mostly of men, but it'd be wrong to say (as in ALT1) that she competed in the men's event). MikeLynch (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi MikeLynch - The main hook is about Kamila Khodjaeva (also known as Diana Khodjaeva), who hasn't played a match in over three years. The second is about Jasmine Ouschan, who is indeed defending her women's championship, but also played in the men's event. The SN source says (In German) "Ouschan nimmt es dabei mit den Damen und Herren auf", which a literal translation is "Ouschan takes it up with the ladies and gentlemen." Strictly speaking, the event would have to be a general class event, or women would not be entitled to play at all. Official website even says "Eurotour Men's".[7] Let me know if this isn't enough, and I'll shoot up another hook. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:38, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Right you are about the two different players, Lee Vilenski, I'd missed that. The main hook suggested would be good to go I'd say. For ALT1, while I get your point, it's probably better and correct to say that she competed in the women's and general events. The first hook seems good though. MikeLynch (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

for the first hook proposed. MikeLynch (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 10:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• "2019 Austria Open,[a] was" odd comma.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Sporthotel Alpina Alpendorf venue resort" or "Alpina, Wellness & Sporthotel"?
  • It was written as both, but I've made it uniform. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Infobox date range needs no space (13 – 16 -> 13–16).
  • Right you are. Twas an issue with the template - fixed  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "The final of the event " you've mentioned two different events since the last time you referred to the 2019 Austria Open...
  • Sure, I'll be more specific. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Any reason we're not using St Johann im Pongau?
  • for the title you mean? Sources aren't definative. The official title is "2019 Dynamic Billard St. Johann im Pongau Open", but most mentions just say the Austria Open. There's been lots of Austria Open events, and they used to always just be refered to as such. My judgement is that it's still the WP:COMMONNAME Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Well not the article title, but the title of the event. It does look a little odd now having the title in "English" above the infobox (reflecting, I guess, the poster) but nowhere else... perhaps we should stick with "St. Johann in Pongau Open" all over apart from in the article title! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:46, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Sure, I'll give it a change. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Jasmin Ouschan has no e in her first name. Check all...
  • Yeah, I can't spell.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "double elimination knockout tournament" hyphenate "double elimination". Plenty of these follow.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Why isn't the "alternative break" format mentioned in ... the Format section??
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "24 pool tables" you would think it obvious they would use "pool" tables for the pool tournament!
  • Yeah, it's implied. Fixed.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "with specific matches" replace "specific" with "some", I guess what you're trying to say is that not all matches were on, but some were.
  • Yeah, "select" is a good word, but probably not encyclopedic.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• A couple of links (e.g. "previous year's final." and "2018" in the infobox) should go to 2018 Austria Open but go to 2018 Sankt Johann im Pongau Open instead.
  • That's due to a page move  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Feijen then took advantage to lead 7–2." -> "Feijen then extended his advantage to lead 7–2."
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "won rack 12 to win" won/win, quick jarring repeat.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Mark Gray " is a (snooker) player, not a (pool) player.
  • Another page move. He's arguably a much more well known pool player, but being a pro snooker player trumps anything pool. Changed  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Several "win/won" and "lose/loser" which could use some creativity to avoid the repeats.
  • I'll take some time and get these done - a lot of this is issues with "double elimination" brackets having a "loser's round", which causes all sorts of issues. C Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    •  Done - I think I got them all Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Kazakis lost..." -> "He lost" (you only just mentioned him by name...)
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Śniegocki is missing his diacritic.
  • Do you have a way to search for these? Or do you go through manually? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Two round of 16 matches " round-of-16
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Breaking to remain in the match, Filler made an illegal break, handing the break..." how many breaks?
  • Fixed. Used some liberal choice of words to mean something similar  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Pausing for lunch. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• "Thanks to his victory, Kaç..." perhaps "As a result, Kaç..."?
  • I agree  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "between 15 and 16 June" probably just "on 15 and 16 June" would work.
  • Fine.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "Jasmine" more "e" troubles.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "lost the remaining racks and ultimately lost " lost lost...
  • reword Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• "me. … " odd use of ellipsis here, perhaps "me ... My success" to indicate that the sentences didn't necessarily follow one another. We have MOS:ELLIPSIS for guidance!
  • I don't use these often, thanks for the review. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Query: how were the matches for the double-elimination round decided? Random draw? Seeding?
  • No idea. I'll check. I'd assume draw, but it could be seeding. Quire likely it's never been stated. The single elimination is pretty self explanitory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Aparently it's a seeded thing (by looking through a few events), but I can't find a source that specifically says that. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Okay, what about how they were drawn into the last 32? You mention the top two ranked players, is that world ranking or seedings for the tournament? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
        • The draw for the last 32 was dependent on the draw from the double elimination round. There are "groups", with the champion of the winners bracket playing a champion of the loser's bracket. There were no seedings, but I believe some of the byes were given to players higher up the rankings. The two players mentioned were first and second on the Euro Tour rankings. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
          • I've added something to the draw to explain. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Francisco Sánchez Ruíz is missing a couple of diacritics.
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Enough for the first pass, on hold! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• • I think that's the lot for the first pass The Rambling Man, anything more for me? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Couple of queries above. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Answered. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay, happy with this now, I made a final tweak relating to giving the women's championship its own section rather than a subsection of the men's, but otherwise good to go. I'll pass, on to the next! Which would you prefer? Drop me a line. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)