Talk:2019/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Federal Chancellors of Switzerland

Two former Federal Chancellors of Switzerland have passed away in August - Annemarie Huber-Hotz and Walter Buser. Interestingly, somebody has questioned the importance of including Buser on the death list, while leaving Huber-Hotz in the clear. The justification made in Buser's case (and if this applies to Buser, it'll also automatically apply to Huber-Hotz) is that the office of Federal Chancellor is not a particularly notable office. While I'm no expert on the nuances of Swiss politics and the Swiss political system, it is quite clear that the Federal Chancellor is not at all any equivalent to that of the Chancellor of Germany or Austria - or indeed that of the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the UK. What does everyone think - should Huber-Hotz and Buser remain on the main 2019 death list?

On a slightly different note, somebody has been trying to question the importance of including Tim Fischer as well - to the point where until now they were also trying to obscure the fact that he was Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. In my view there's no question that Fischer should stay. The office of Deputy Prime Minister is the second-most senior role in the Australian Government; it performs the role of Acting Prime Minister when the PM is overseas or incapacitated and in Fischer's case is also the head of the National Party, one of the major governing parties of Australian politics. I don't think an image is warranted, but surely given that nobody would question including a U.S. Vice President or even (as seen with the July section) an independent U.S. Presidential candidate such as Ross Perot, Fischer deserves his place on the main death list. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 17:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Tim Fischer doesnt really qualify to be here, hardly known outside of Australia and didnt actually hold any of the top offices like a president or prime minister, the same would seem to apply the the swiss chaps. MilborneOne (talk) 18:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I think you're correct. Deb (talk) 19:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The office of Deputy Prime Minister is considered one of the top offices, and I again make the argument that if U.S. Vice Presidents and third party candidates can qualify, so should Australian Deputy Prime Ministers - particularly one whose achievements include helping implement substantial gun control in the aftermath of Port Arthur, something which has gained significant international nobility. As for the Swiss Chancellors, yes I’d probably lean towards removing them as from what I can gather their main role seems to be that of a sort-of head of staff rather than one of the top offices. Also on the topic of importance, Sushma Swaraj not only is listed, but also currently has a photo up - yet her most senior position has been Indian foreign minister. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 02:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Jesucrist. Tim Fischer was only Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. These lists put people with a high national relevance or international importance, being also one of the requirements that has at least 9 articles in different languages. Several Vice Presidents have passed away this year and not all of them are enlisted. While US Vicepresident is the second senior office of the most powerful country in the world, Australian DPM is the 4th senior office (Queen, Governor General, PM and DPM). As about Sushma Swaraj, she had been one of the most influential and important women politician in India and in Asia, not just a simple Minister of Foreign Affairs. Her political career is absolutely notorious. I also think that it's necessary a debate about what we can do with Chancellors of Switzerland.~Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

”Second most senior office of the most powerful country in the world” That’s just blatant US bias right there, which is something we must ensure to avoid on this sort of page. Furthermore it completely fails to address my additional point regarding third party candidates such as Ross Perot being included. Dismissing the position of Deputy Prime Minister as merely the fourth most important (and referring to the Queen as the most important) indicates a complete lack of understanding of the Australian political system and how it works. In practice, the Deputy Prime Minister is the second most senior position of the Government and the Ministry, and if the Prime Minister is overseas, incapacitated or dead, the Deputy takes the role of Acting Prime Minister. It’s still more senior than a Minister of Foreign Affairs - though sometimes a Deputy Prime Minister may also choose to additionally take up that role. I’m curious to hear what others have to say regarding Sushma Swaraj. Thescrubbythug (talk) 16:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Just a note, the number of different language article rule was dropped a few years ago. Emk9 (talk) 19:43, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, George Fernandes

Think we should have a separate section discussing these three Indian politicians, and whether or not they should be included in the 2019 death section - or in the case of Fernandes, an image on the side. From what I can gather, all three played prominent roles in the governments they served, but none served in a leadership position. What does everyone think? --Thescrubbythug (talk) 02:34, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Bougainville Independence Referendum

It should be known that the Bougainville Independence Referendum is happening on the 23rd of November, but it hasn't been in "Predicted or Scheduled Events" of the page. -- Iron_Wolf123 (talk) 10:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

You should have linked to the Wikipedia article. Deb (talk) 11:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

templates

added some navigation templates to article. I hope that's helpful. --Sm8900 (talk) 22:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2019

Please add the status of former (7th) Yang di-Pertuan Agong to the late Sultan Ahmad Shah, deceased on May 22. This status is equivalent to a Sovereign monarch and head of state of Malaysia. Given that the late Tunku Puan Zanariah (deceased on March 17) is refered to as Raja Permaisuri Agong (title, which accords to a Yang di-Pertuan Agong's consort), it is more than appropriate this reference to be mentioned posthumously. Monarchies.Today (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure what you are trying to say; you need to follow the instructions above. Deb (talk) 20:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 00:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2019

Orlandpaul (talk) 14:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)I wanna add super bowl 53

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format as instructed above and provide a reliable source. Deb (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Super Bowl LIII is listed at 2019_in_sports RudolfRed (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Numbering

The article describes 2019 as the "2019th year of the Common Era (CE), the 19th year of the 3rd millennium, and the 19th year of the 21st century."

Surely the "19"s here should be "20"s? After all, the year 0 CE would be the 1st year of the Common Era. Likewise, 2000 would be the 1st year in the 3rd millenium and the the 21st century, so 2019 would be the 20th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarrow Man (talk • contribs) 22:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

• No, 0 CE does not exist. CE was adopted to replace AD, Anno Domini, which in English is "In the Year of the Lord." It was supposed to be the year following the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. Similarly, 2000 is the last millennium of the 20th century and the last year of the 2nd millennium.Michael E Nolan (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Importance

Someone has questioned an October posting of mine about 91 Iraqi civilians killed by the government. Today the total is over 100. Certainly 91 Iraqi civilians murdered is as serious as 1 civilian murdered in Hong Kong earlier in the month.Michael E Nolan (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I don't agree. The fact that over 1/3 of the population of Hong Kong protesting makes otherwise minor related incidents important. I'm not sure if the 91–100 Iraqi civilians killed is as important. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2019

AThingW2 (talk) 20:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 20:40, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Baghdadi death date; October 26 or 27

(I already posted this to Baghdadi's talk page, but I thought this would fit here as well, as Baghdadi is represented in the Deaths section)

What was the local time when Baghdadi died? is it possible that it was 27 October? This article by the New York Times says the raid started on midnight local time, 5 PM in Washington D.C., and continued for 2 hours, so according to the New York Times, Baghdadi died on 27 October, but it was still October 26 on the US east coast

(New York Times also has a paywall, so to see the article; stop loading the page by pressing the 'X' button where the refresh button is, immediately after entering the article) Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

More evidence of the date being 27 October; this article mentions that residents heard the gunfire start on midnight Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Eugène Camara

He was Prime Minister of Guinea for less than one month, and it's not clear he did anything as Prime Minister other than acknowledge the appointment of his successor. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:57, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Karel Gott v. Ginger Baker

There seems to be an edit war as to whether Karel Gott or Ginger Baker should have an image in October deaths. I lean toward Karel Gott. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Just noticed this thread @Arthur Rubin:, and I agree there should be a discussion about the images here (also going to ping @Alsoriano97: and @Matt Campbell:). In my view Baker's image deserves to be up on the page (I’d make the same argument for Jack Bruce on the 2014 page - incredibly influential bassist). He was a member of Cream (as well as Blind Faith), which were one of the most successful and important bands of the 1960s. As well as being generally regarded as the world's first supergroup, one of their albums (Wheels Of Fire) went on to become the world's first double album to go platinum. As a member of Cream, he was inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1993. Baker himself was internationally recognised, influential and acclaimed as one of the most talented drummers not just of his era, but also of all time - alongside people like John Bonham and Keith Moon. Baker too was responsible from one of the earliest examples of drum solos in rock music, with the song "Toad", and his drumming skills has often being cited as important in the development of the rock and metal music genres. Baker's passing attracted a great deal of international attention and press coverage, as well as tributes from multitudes of musicians that were either his contemporaries, or were influenced by him. That's my view of it anyway - that Baker has the sufficient notability and significance to warrant an image in the death section. Gott was an important figure in his own right as well, but lacked the international stature and influence that Baker had. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 13:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Ginger Baker was very famous as a member of cream, and his contributions to music were vast, recognized and listed by many as one of the most talented drummers. Karel Gott was not unknown internationally, but he was most famous and celebrated in his home country, while baker was much more famous internationally Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 13:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I would go with Baker as well, for the reasons well explained by User:Thescrubbythug. He was not your run-of-the-mill musician. Black Kite (talk) 10:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

This is true, but the image of him is not at all suitable. Deb (talk) 14:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

request re article links

hi all. this article is getting over 8,000 hits per day. I applaud everyone working so diligently to keep this updated. is it ok if I could please add links at the top to 2019 in politics and government, and also to 2010s political history? would like to draw some attention and editors to those articles as well. I appreciate any consideration for this request. I appreciate it. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Politics and Government is already in the 2019 by topic infobox at the top I cant see any reason to make it any more prominent then any of the other topic articles. MilborneOne (talk) 15:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

because it is unique amongst all other articles, as serving as an archive of global news and historical events around the world. the only other article that has such a wide topical scope is this one, and perhaps the one for science, although obviously the science article would not pertain to societal events. so that was the reasoning for my suggestion here. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I dont see it as any more important than any other listed in the infobox. MilborneOne (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

new item

new article created, 2019 in United States politics and government. I know it's pretty late for this year, but this might be useful for items in 2020. --Sm8900 (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

jump in views for this article

just thought you might be interested to know that this article jumped to 18,000 hits yesterday. nice work everyone!! below is a link to the graph of page views. I included some other similar 2019-related pages just for comparison, but they got much less traffic. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

• LINK: Link to article page views yesterday. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Spanish general election

The reference in April to "the 2019 Spanish general election" is out of date. It should be changed to something like "the first 2019 Spanish general election". 37.133.4.240 (talk) 09:45, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Resignation of Lebanese Prime Minister

The Prime Minister of Lebanon, Saad Hariri, resigned on October 29 due to the 2019 Lebanese Protests. This should be added here as well as a mention of the protests in Lebanon as all the other resignations of leaders and major protests are listed. Joseph Ruoc (talk) 02:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph Ruoc: thanks for your idea. suggest you check the article 2010s political history, which contains some relevant overviews as well. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't the protests have some recognition? Most other protests of similar and smaller size are listed on this page. Joseph Ruoc (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Bus crash

@Wjfox2005: I don't see why a bus crash, which killed 28, and doesn't even has its own Wikipedia article, deserves mention in a year article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

2019's ended

make it so that it says that 2019 is the... 111.88.15.184 (talk) 19:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Neil Innes

@Arthur Rubin: I know that it would seem to people outside the UK that Neil Innes is very famous indeed, but he's not a household name here. A matter of a few months ago, I was trying to explain to some friends who he was and even showing them photos of him and they had never heard of him or seen him. I don't think he should be here. Deb (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Deb: Interesting. I saw him on my Facebook feed, but I don't feel that strongly about it. I would have thought any of the Pythons would be noticed in the UK. Which subarticle(s) should he be in? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Wait. You said he's not famous in the UK? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

He's not one of the Pythons though. He just appeared on their show sometimes. Deb (talk) 09:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@Deb: That might be a generational thing. Anecdotal, but my social media feeds have been full of his death today. More to the point, I can see decent obituaries from (apart from the multiple UK and US ones) Germany [1] [2] Canada [3] Brazil [4] [5] Poland [6] [7] Netherlands [8] Norway [9] [10] Italy [11] Belgium [12] Croatia [13] [14] Greece [15] and Australia [16] - and that's just from the first 3 pages of Google News. He definitely belongs here. Black Kite (talk) 01:11, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

That may well be true, and I wouldn't deny that he was quite an important figure in music, but not one who's widely known. The people I was asking weren't young. I'd say he was about as well-known as Jeremy Hardy. Deb (talk) 09:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd disagree there; Jeremy Hardy was quite niche - Innes' work with Monty Python, not to mention The Rutles and the Bonzo Dog Band, were mainstream. Black Kite (talk) 10:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I respect that view, but I don't think you're correct. Most people would have no idea about his work with Python or know he was in the Bonzos, and few people remember the Rutles. Frankly, he's better known for his later appearances on children's TV. Deb (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

However, the dozens (there are even more today) of obituaries do concentrate on those aspects. This is a guy, after all, who worked with the Beatles. Compare the other entries on the 2019 list and you'll find many, many, entries who were completely unknown outside their own countries, and frankly some who weren't well known in their own countries. Black Kite (talk) 13:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't disagree with that! :-) Deb (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

RIP, Ron Nasty of the Rutles :( GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Canzo

Maybe in 2019 is someone aware what is gone in Canzo? It's political and cultural strike october whence! It's whereas! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LughnasadhRussija (talk • contribs) 10:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

??? (So that this will be archived; I think the auto-archiver only moves sections with more than one entry.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

US copyright

I still think the first works to go public domain in the US since 1978 deserves notice. But I'm not going to restore it, even though it needs consensus to remove. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Frank Robinson

It's appear's that we have been having a conflict today on Frank Robinson, a user named "MilborneOne" on here doesn't seen to do his research. and being notable is not only about obituaries, it's about there life stories and he doesn't seem to get that. Matt Campbell (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I have to admit I have no idea what you are saying about life stories and why that it relevant to anybody being included in this page. Perhaps you need to explain why you think Frank Robinson should be included on this page. MilborneOne (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Another admin told me that it's also about there "life". That's why I said life stories. Also what they are known for. That's why his name was added in the first place. Being known for something. He was known for being first African-American to manage a major league team. Just like how Jackie Robinson was known for the first black athlete to play Major League Baseball. I'm that should count a reason. Matt Campbell (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Having a "life" or even a "life story" is not a criteria for adding somebody here. MilborneOne (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

That's not what I was told. Did you even read the other thing I said? Matt Campbell (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

It is simple another editor challenged your addition so you come here and explain why you think it should be added and if others agree it can be added. Being known for "something" is also not a criteria for adding somebody here. MilborneOne (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Include: Person seems to be notable. As his death is receiving a significant amount of news coverage, he was also mentioned in a tweet by U.S President Donald Trump. The Optimistic One (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Is he notable outside of the United States? I am not seeing significant coverage in the International media. MilborneOne (talk) 11:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Notable enough in the UK for The Guardian to write up about his death. The Optimistic One (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Here's one from Japan.

Here's one from Canada Matt Campbell (talk) 21:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Frank Robinson was important in American baseball, but not internationally. While baseball is popular in parts of Canada, Latin America, and East Asia, the MLBA is not particularly notable on a world-wide scale. Michael E Nolan (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Proposed removals

I'd like to propose the removal of the following from the Deaths section:

• Atsushi Aoki - sumo wrestler notable for dying in an accident
• Analía Gadé - appeared in a lot of Argentine films but no international notability (removed)
• Sean McCann (actor) - little international notability (removed)
• Glauco Sansovini - important in San Marino, but the equivalent of a local politician in most countries (removed)
• Peggy Stewart (actress) - although she has some international coverage, she is really little known outside the US and probably within the US too. (removed)

As usual, open to debate. Deb (talk) 08:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC) Also, David Winters (choreographer) - fame seems to rest on having been once nominated for an Emmy.Deb (talk) 08:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

• Agree with all of those. The coverage for Peggy Stewart was actually a lot less than I expected, but perhaps that's down to "I know who she is, she must be famous" syndrome! Black Kite (talk) 10:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion some should stay. Matt Campbell (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

I erased Glauco Sansovini. Matt Campbell (talk) 22:47, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Which ones and why? It's completely pointless making that comment if you don't explain yourself. Black Kite (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Updated. Deb (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

How is the head of state of a country San Marino, "the equivalent of a local politician in most countries"? These removals based on one or two peoples opinion who seem to have no knowledge of the things they remove are not a good direction. A professional wrestler is not a sumo wrestler, not all Asian wrestlers are Sumo wrestlers. Also if a "sumo" wrestler who was one of the biggest champions in his country gets to be dismissed as "only notable because of his death" because noone here understands japanese culture. then why are people like Bart Starr listed? definition of no international notability. especially if a head of state gets dismissed like that too. GuzzyG (talk) 06:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

It's about a lot of things: international notability, cultural balance (far more Americans have been removed than Japanese people), gender balance, recentism, etc. Oh, and I agree Bart Starr shouldn't be listed but I was outvoted on that one; that's what they call consensus and that's how wikipedia works.Deb (talk) 08:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

No, that's the failure of your system in effect, that the head of state of countries and celebrities in other, non-western countries are being outvoted by American and European people, while American celebrities who fail exactly the same requirement are voted in. Asashōryū Akinori wouldn't pass the "international notability" standard voted on by 2-5 people, yet Bart Starr does, that's consensus maybe, but that just goes to show that this consensus will never achieve a truly diverse goal. Because no group of people except maybe 300 names in history, have truly international household name recognition. By your method, no sumo wrestler will qualify for not being "international enough", in your eyes Sadaharu Oh would not either, by denying people highly significant in one country like Japan a listing because American/European people can't recognize them, it says alot about your method and how it will ultimately fail in making this list diverse as Western figures dominate a primarily western news industry which influences a false sense of importance. Ma Long and Lin Dan wouldn't make the list under your (new, undiscussed in a wide-ranging RFC) method, but Yao Ming would, which means you're forcing Asian people to be seen through Western culture and a Western definition of "recognition" and that's a unfair barrier to anyone not in Europe/America/Oceania, especially when you just outright dismissed this figure as only known because he died and stereotyped his field. GuzzyG (talk) 10:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

No, that's not what I did. I thought about it carefully before I proposed it. And I agree we have problems with consensus versus balance. Small steps are the only way forward. Deb (talk) 11:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree, it's a tricky situation that requires balance, although i do think we should have a lower standard for people and occupations from other regions in the world. For example if someone is a household name in China or India, they're going to be more known then someone who is a household name in the US, Australia and Europe combined and so being known internationally should not be as important for them. It's something that should be taking into consideration anyway. PS: regarding your message on my talk page, sure we can work together on the list; i will keep a eye out for future discussions to offer my opinion, thanks. GuzzyG (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

As a fan of professional wrestling, I'm a bit surprised that Atsushi Aoki (a professional wrestler, not sumo), is removed. Aoki was one of the most populaur wrestlers in Japanese wrestling (which has a big fanbase in Western countries), for many years. To say that he's only known because of how he died is very insulting. He should be re-listed. The Optimistic One (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

That's an option. Unfortunately, not enough people are participating in these debates. It looks like there may now be a majority to retain Aoki in this section, and you can feel free to add him back. I'm pleased to see that his death is at least listed in 2019 in Japan. All too often editors are adding people to the main Year articles without even looking at Year in Topic. Deb (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I think ALL heads of state should be listed when they die, even if they aren't household names or they come from small countries. By the way, San Mariano is a Western Country. Michael E Nolan (talk) 19:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

epstein

why is there no mention of jeffrey epstein here?, it has received international coverage as well. 78.108.56.35 (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Has he died? Deb (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

famous billionaire arrested for sex trafficking, friends with many famous people, much international coverage 78.108.56.35 (talk) 19:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Many people get arrested for many things. It doesn't mean they should go into an annual encyclopedic global synopsis. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Unless the conspiracy theorists are proven right, that he was murdered while in custody, Epstein was nothing more than a wealthy criminal who does not deserve a mention here. Michael E Nolan (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Youtuber Grant Thompson (TKOR)

A pretty well-known YouTuber, Grant Thompson, died on July 29 of this year. Is he well-known enough to be allowed to be put on the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.2.201.204 (talk) 02:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

• No; he doesn't have an article here, although his channel does. Black Kite (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

Add Cameron Boyce to July 2019 deaths. 2602:306:38A5:B3C0:FDDC:B602:DAAC:1079 (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

It is largely to prevent the addition of Cameron Boyce's name to the list, contrary to consensus on the Talk page, that the article has been protected. Deb (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Deaths that should be on here

We have been having this issue lately with who should be listed on here! Names including, George Welsh, Lester Wunderman, J.D. Gibbs, Shirley Boone, Bob Kuechenberg, Batton Lash, Patricia Wald, Willie Murphy. Matt Campbell (talk) 20:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Are any of these known outside of the United States ? MilborneOne (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure they are! Why does it Matter? Matt Campbell (talk) 20:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Unless they have some international recognition they should be on the 2019 in the United States page not here. MilborneOne (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Most of the deaths listed are national, worldwide, or international. Not just in the United States. Matt Campbell (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm an American and don't recognize any of those names. We need to strive for more diversity. Michael E Nolan (talk) 18:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce is missing, his death on July 6th 2019 was a pretty big deal. ReddyToosevelt (talk) 01:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

See discussions on this subject is several other places on this Talk page. We try to limit the births and deaths sections to people of international significance. Deb (talk) 08:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2020

Can we add Shane Rimmer to the list of deaths? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Rimmer 81.101.15.25 (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC) 81.101.15.25 (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ~ Amkgp 💬 11:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

elijah cummings

The Elijah Cummings entry was removed, I would say he is internationally notable

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/toppdemokraten-elijah-cummings-dod-blev-68-ar/

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/elijah-cummings-bekannter-us-demokrat-ist-gestorben-a-1292001.html

https://www.srf.ch/news/international/todesfall-im-kongress-trump-ermittler-elijah-cummings-ist-gestorben

https://mapdow.com/elijah-principal-democrate-cummings-meurt-de-complications-de-sante/

https://www.univision.com/noticias/politica/muere-el-congresista-democrata-elijah-cummings-quien-formaba-parte-de-la-investigacion-del-juicio-politico-a-trump

https://www.kitv.com/story/41194350/elijah-cummings-legislador-estadounidense-muere-a-los-68-aos

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/wires/1.8003425

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/wires/1.8003471 If under these criteria Cummings is not notable; and now I mean no disrespect to their family, but are Tamara Buciuceanu or Charles Jencks more internationally notable than Cummings? Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 10:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

With all due respect to Cummings, this page is not 2019 in the United States and Cummings was not an important political figure on the international stage. Nor did he hold a Cabinet position, was a Presidential or VP nominee, or was the de-facto head of a party of government. Placing US congressmen in that page would suffice. That's my view of it, and at the very least he should be stay out unless a consensus of some kind forms that he should be on the main 2019 page. Thescrubbythug (talk) 13:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I would agree clearly a domestic politician that should be in 2019 in the United States but not here. MilborneOne (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Using the same criteria, I'd also argue that Harold Brown, Harris Wofford, John Dingell, Lyndon LaRouche, Birch Bayh and Ralph Hall also should be on 2019 in the United States but not the main 2019 page. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 09:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree. Deb (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

He has been on the page since January, and now it has come up again. This man was the first African American politician to be given a state funeral in the rotunda, an honor generally given to former presidents and important political figures, a funeral which was attended by foreign leaders and every living president. I don't think it's a stretch to call him internationally recognized, both as a civil rights advocate and as a political figure. DroboBrandegee (talk) 10:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

You'll need to achieve consensus for this view. Deb (talk) 09:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce

Why is Cameron Boyce not in the 2019 death section? --101.176.0.126 (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Because there’s a consensus that Boyce is not internationally notable or significant enough to warrant inclusion outside 2019 in the United States. Feel free to scroll up to read through the Cameron Boyce discussion. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 07:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

"Draft:2019" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Draft:2019. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 10#Draft:2019 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 12:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Seventyfiveyears - I just tried to join in the discussion via that link but was reverted by User:Tavix. So, um, where is that discussion? Deb (talk) 15:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Deb: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 24#Draft:2019. The discussion was closed as no consensus back in April. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see, sorry. For some reason I was alerted to the notification about the discussion this morning! Deb (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed removals

I would like to see the following removed, as not internationally notable:

• Carmen Argenziano, US actor (removed)
• Asunción Balaguer, Spanish actress (removed)
• Verna Bloom, US actress
• Georgia Engel, US actress (removed)
• Nancy Gates, US actress (removed)
• Charles Gérard, French actor (removed)
• Shelley Lubben, US actress (removed)
• Fernando Luján, Mexican actor
• Jamshid Mashayekhi, Iranian actor
• Fay McKenzie, US actress (removed)
• Stoyanka Mutafova, Bulgarian actress
• Dick Miller, US actor (removed)
• Shelley Morrison, US actress (removed)
• Kristoff St. John, US actor (removed)
• Bob Van Der Veken, Belgian actor (removed)
• David Winters (choreographer) (removed)

Any views? Deb (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Belated response (to put it mildly), but I fully support all of these removals - if they haven't been removed yet. TheScrubby (talk) 10:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

John Paul Stevens image

Should John Paul Stevens be considered significant enough to have his image up on death list? It seems he was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court - but is that really notable enough to have his image put up on the main 2019 page? In my view an image would be appropriate for 2019 in the United States, but not elsewhere - much like with Ross Perot. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree that his image shouldn’t be up there. If he was the Chief Justice, then that would be a different question, but he’s not. JoeyRuss (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I also agree. His main claim to fame seems to be that he served for a long time. Deb (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Agree--mention but no image. Michael E Nolan (talk) 19:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I think in light of the (far-stricter) criteria we now have in place, I think Stevens should be removed entirely. Domestic figure who belongs in 2019 in the United States. Also pinging @Jim Michael: on this. TheScrubby (talk) 10:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree, he was a domestic figure, so he has no place on this article. Jim Michael (talk) 10:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Gugu Liberato

I believe he should be included in the November deaths section. Highly notable gentleman. 146.200.180.251 (talk) 21:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Science

Brahmos missile 117.98.116.189 (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add this to 2019 in science if you wish. Deb (talk) 15:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022

There is an event that I requested you to add:

• "Lexar announces the first SD card which can store 1 terabyte.

So, there is a reference and a source about it, maybe if you accept it, then you can add it to this article. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This source is Lexar's own website; you should establish some form of notability through coverage in secondary media. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2022

I would like to request a minor change on this statement:

"2019 was described as the "best year in human history" by multiple newspapers and media outlets, including The New York Times and WNYC."

To:

"2019 was described as the "best year in human history" by multiple newspapers and media outlets, including The New York Times and WNYC."

The phrase, "best year in human history", should be in bold, since this part shows an essential role in this article, especially years and there are other reliable news reports saying that. --2601:205:C001:EA0:D0E8:B9D7:7381:E7F5 (talk) 00:40, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Against WP:MOSBOLD Lemonaka (talk) 08:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

References

Why is grumpy cat not in the deaths list?

I mean come on guys grumpy cat was a ultra famous meme back in 2012, he was usted on all social media as a meme caracteres even they use it in latin america, do you guys think he deserves to be listed in here? 190.99.113.95 (talk) 19:28, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Epstein in Collage

Easily one of the biggest moments in the west of 2019. I think it should be in the collage TRJ2008 (talk) 18:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I actually agree with you that Epstein should be included in the collage. That same goes with others. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2023

I would like to include this event in this article with sources cited:

• December 7 A non-binding independence referendum was held in Bougainville, an autonomous region of Papua New Guinea, between 23 November and 7 December 2019.

This is my edit request, I made this for 2019 year article. 2600:1010:B162:5E41:F0E3:AA79:AD5E:1B1B (talk) 08:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done A09 (talk) 19:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

References

Deaths

Is it time to consider ditching the deaths section and providing a link to Deaths in 2019, anything really big would qualify as an event but this would be rare. It would stop all the bun fights as I understand Deaths in 2019 includes anybody with an article. MilborneOne (talk) 00:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you saying that we have to add source from now on? Matt Campbell (talk) 00:18, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

There are clearly too many. If you look at January, there are ninety deaths listed there. Go back a decade and look at 2009, and there are just fifteen. I suspect the latter number should be the marker we're looking at. First of all, we really need to strip out anyone whose death (or life) was not widely covered internationally. I'll go through that month later and produce a list, and then everyone can see what they think. Black Kite (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I just remembered what you told me before. You said to "check the coverage of the life of the person, not just their death". Also for January there were a few names that I had to have permission to add like, Aloysius Pang, and Dick Miller. Matt Campbell (talk) 14:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

There was a convention, early on, that we shouldn't have more than fifty births and fifty deaths on a Year page but that seems to have gone by the board. Deb (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Can anyone add some celebrities on top of the 2019 article? Blakelyelijahl (talk) 21:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, why are celebrities added to the top of the 2021 page instead of the 2020 page? Blakelyelijahl (talk) 21:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023

Include this event:

• 1 July – David Hurley is sworn in as the 27th Governor-General of Australia.

I would like to have you to add. — 2600:1010:B12F:8241:69D6:4C47:90B4:B2DC (talk) 19:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done looking at other governor-general appointments, they are not generally included on the article for the year they happened. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)