Talk:2017 Transylvania University machete attack

Latest comment: 7 years ago by E.M.Gregory in topic Merge

What need updating?

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Hello, E.M.Gregory! In reference to the "update" tag that you added, could you let me know what needs to be updated? Kamalthebest (talk) 03:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Legal proceedings need to be added. And ongoing coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
@E.M.Gregory: I've updated it with a section on the investigation but the perpetrator does not appear in court until June 7, so I've remove the tag till then and add the necessary information after that date. Kamalthebest (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Notability

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Unless there is impact on a policy debate or WP:SIGCOV, it should be merged into a list of politically motivated attacks.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

@E.M.Gregory: This article meets all of the criteria on WP:SIGCOV:

Merge

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proposing merge to List of attacks related to post-secondary schools.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Against merge: This attack was significantly different than the 2017 University of Texas stabbing attack and more comparable to the 2015 University of California, Merced stabbing attack due to a political motivation behind the attack. Not to mention the fact that this is a part in a series of violence on college campuses following the controversial 2016 election (along with the 2017 Berkeley protests, for example). If the 2017 Paris machete attack, 2017 Fresno shootings, March 2017 Île-de-France attacks, 2017 Queanbeyan stabbing attacks, 2016 Minto stabbing attack and the Stabbing of Timothy Caughman can have their own articles with similar amounts of casualties due to political motivations behind the attacks, I see no reason why this should be different. Nearly every attack with even the slightest hint of an Islamist motivation gets its own article, so we should not have a double standard. Kamalthebest (talk) 20:51, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
@E.M.Gregory: For the first point about the 2016 Minneapolis shooting, I am unfamiliar with this attack but at a first glance, I believe it does deserve its own article with some more work considering the perpetrator was literally found guilty three days ago. I might work on it if I have time. For the second point, I fully agree with your merge on the 2017 University of Texas stabbing attack considering the fact that there was no ideological motive as I stated here on that article's talk page. As for "sources on this machete attack," this has had more than enough coverage:
I'm not asking to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, I'm asking for consistency. I'm not stating why "this should be different", I'm stating why "this should be the same" as the 2017 Paris machete attack, for example. You've even created articles for stuff like the 2017 Queanbeyan stabbing attacks and the 2016 Minto stabbing attack so obviously they're worth an entry, right? More people were injured in this attack than in both of those, and this attack is politically motivated as well. Just because this attack wasn't committed by Muslims, does not mean it's not notable in my view. Kamalthebest (talk) 22:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
No one has argued that this attack is not notable "Just because this attack wasn't committed by Muslims".E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
@E.M.Gregory: Sorry if it came off like I was insinuating bad faith on your part. I just meant that articles should be given the same treatment regardless of the perpetrator as long as there is a political motivation. I also greatly appreciate the fact that you created the 2016 Minneapolis shooting page so thank you for that. Kamalthebest (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • @E.M.Gregory: I agree that it needs WP:RS coverage, but I provided this above and in the article. Raw Story, NY Times, etc. are not local papers. I already stated why I believe this fits WP:GNG above. As for WP:NCRIME, the only difference stated is that "media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act, provided such coverage meets the above guidelines and those regarding reliable sources" and these sources are reliable. Kamalthebest (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Kamal, I am offering advice based on my considerable experience with articles about crime. At present, all coverage is in from a single news cycle, with the sole exception of a local article about the post-arrest legal proceedings. All coverage is to date has been routine. If it goes ot AfD now, it will be deleted or redirected to a list. For what it's worth, that's my assessment.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)Reply