Talk:2015 Camellia Bowl

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2015 Camellia Bowl/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Well Written

Prose clear, concise, understandable  Partly done See below, wikilinking for terms.

Spelling/Grammar Y Copy edit, see below

MOS Lead Y

MOS layout Y

Buzzwords/fiction/lists Y Like the scoring table

2. Verifiable

List of references properly formatted Y

Inline citations from reliable sources N See below

No original research Y That claim about the 49th-ranked defense of Ohio needs to be either backed up with a citation mentioning the fact or be removed, though.

No COPYVIO Y None detected

3. Broad in coverage

Covers main aspects Y

Stays focused on topic Y

4. Neutral Y

5. Stable Y

6. Illustrated if possible

Media tagged for copyright status Y Copyright released by the USAF.

Media relevant Y

If we could find another image, that would be nice. Not essential, but an improvement to the article.

Comments

Quick comments on references: not all of these are reliable. "SBNation" stands for "Sports Blog Nation", and blogs are not reliable sources. Ref 10 (Hustle Belt}, ref 16 (SBNation) and refs 33 and 34 (again SBNation) are not reliable. I am unfamiliar with reference 36, College Sports Journal, do you have any insight into the nature of this source?

For SB Nation, I’ll see if I can find other sources, although I believe some of these authors are reliable even if you dislike the source; for College Sports Journal, the author, David Coulson, is a professor at App and an expert in the area of football. He has over 40 years of experience in covering football and was formerly a senior columnist for The Sports Network. For Appalachian State football, he’s a very reliable source. I can also find more on the publication (which he runs) if you’d like, but it has received favorable coverage for its all-FCS teams. Toa Nidhiki05 15:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@Toa Nidhiki05: I personally read SBNation frequently, and I find it a good source, but I don't think it has enough editorial oversight to qualify as a reliable source, even though some of the contributors are definitely experts in their fields (Geoff Schwartz for the NFL, for example). College Sports Journal sounds like a good source (I was just unfamiliar with it wanted a description). SBNation advertises itself as a sports blog site, so it fails WP:RS (no blogs), though, despite some of the contributors being quite good. Hog Farm (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@Toa Nidhiki05: After reading the comments at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard and going through each SBNation citation individually, all of the uses of the SBNation sites appear to be both unbiased and demonstrating generally reliability for the information. I no longer have any concerns with using those sources in the article. Hog Farm (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Ohio Bobcats The 49th-ranked defense statement does not seem to be supported by the citation given.

First quarter - My instinct tells me the phrase "Ohio were held to a three and out" should be "Ohio was...", since Ohio is referring to the team in the singular. Later in the paragraph, "On the ensuing drive, Ohio was again held to a three and out and were forced to punt." The singular/plural case should be consistent (I'd recommend was over were). General guide: If you're referring to "the Mountaineers" or "the Bobcats" it's plural, "Ohio" and "Appalachian State" are singular.

• This issue should be fixed now there. Toa Nidhiki05 14:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks  Done

General question Was Appalachian State's kicker's last name Mattis or Mattics? You use both.

• ESPN uses Matics, that's probably correct then - change all uses of Mattis.

• This has been fixed. Must have been autocorrected when I wrote it. Toa Nidhiki05 15:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks  Done

Other comments You've wikilinked to most of the football terms, but I still think some of the others should have a wikilink at the first reference in the text: touchdown, field goal, and holding penalty are the ones that stuck out to me. We can't assume that our readers have a basic American football knowledge, because not all will (although "holding penalty" is kinda self-explanatory). There's some copy edit issues, especially in the use of singular/plural cases.

• I’ve gone back and added the links I could think of. Should be good now. Toa Nidhiki05 14:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks  Done

Infobox The names of the head coaches and the stadium in which the game took place are not cited in either the infobox or the article text.

These have been added now. Toa Nidhiki05 15:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks  Done

Placing the article on hold, there's some work to do here but good job overall. Hog Farm (talk) 20:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, the only issue remaining is that the statement about Ohio's defensive ranking is not supported in the given citation. Good job on the improvements (and I eat crow on the SBNation comments for this article). Hog Farm (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, should be fixed now Hog Farm. I had accidentally used the wrong source for that one, should have been the SI piece. I'll add a piece of Satterfield shortly. Toa Nidhiki05 19:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

All issues addressed, passing as a GA. Hog Farm (talk) 21:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the champions of the 2015 Camellia Bowl, the Appalachian State Mountaineers, became the first team to win a bowl game in their first year of bowl eligibility? Coulson, David (December 25, 2015). "The Final Postscript From Montgomery And The Camellia Bowl For App State". College Sports Journal. Archived from the original on December 14, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.
  • ALT1:... that the Appalachian State Mountaineers overcame a 17-point fourth-quarter deficit to win the 2015 Camellia Bowl? "Scoring Summary (Final)" (PDF). Camellia Bowl. December 19, 2015. Archived (PDF) from the original on December 23, 2019. Retrieved December 23, 2019.

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Improved to Good Article status by Toa Nidhiki05 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC).

• Date and length fine. However, @Toa Nidhiki05: what sort of bowl is this referring to? Cereal bowl or some sort of trophy? It needs to be made clear what "bowl" means the context in the hooks. QPQ done with no close paraphrasing. Just needs to correct the hooks as per Rule C2 of WP:DYKSG and then I can approve it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

• Bowl here refers to the game itself. I figured linking to bowl game and bowl eligiblity would give a quick idea as to what these meant. Would this work?

• ALT2 ... that the champions of the 2015 Camellia Bowl, the Appalachian State Mountaineers, became the first team to win a college football bowl game in their first year of bowl eligibility? Coulson, David (December 25, 2015). "The Final Postscript From Montgomery And The Camellia Bowl For App State". College Sports Journal. Archived from the original on December 14, 2019. Retrieved December 14, 2019.

Toa Nidhiki05 19:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

It most certainly would not give me any idea if you just left it at that as, being British, I wouldn't have had a clue what they meant. The alt is much better and is cited inline so I am approving the new alt (which I have named ALT2 for clarity) only. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2020 (UTC)