Talk:2014 24 Hours of Le Mans

Entry list

The entry list was revealed today, will try to add it as fast as possible. FstrthnU (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Its not a race. It should be added correctly, not first. The³5₉ (Talk) 17:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

New cars

Many race fans are interested to know which race cars were introduced the first time at Le Mans. So why not write a short little chapters about race cars introduced in 2014? I think the chapter will make many readers happy. Thanks! --77.56.51.10 (talk) 17:59, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

There's no point, because pretty much every car racing at Le Mans is new. Rarely do you see someone running exactly the same vehicle two years in a row. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:08, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Many of the cars also did not debut at Le Mans, they debuted at Silverstone or Spa. Just because they are new to Le Mans does not mean they are new in general, so it's a bit misleading to point them out as new cars. The³5₉ (Talk) 14:38, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

By new I mean "a new model", so e.g. Ferrari 430 and then its successor 458. Easy. Second: It does not matter where they run first. It is just important for the fans of Le Mans which cars have had their premiere at Le Mans, all other events don't matter in this case. So PLEASE keep this chapter in. Why is this so hard to leave it in? THanks. --Indianapolis74 (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Other races do matter, and any fan of Le Mans would likely prefer correct information. All the cars you listed are not debuting at Le Mans. Just because this is the first LM in which they have participated does not make them notable enough for a stand out section.

Further, you should not continue to edit the article in an attempt to keep it your way while a discussion of the content is ongoing. The³5₉ (Talk) 22:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Wrong. Le Mans belongs without doubt to the biggest and most important motorsports event worldwide so it is very ok to mention new entries that race there for the first time. It is very sad that Wikipedia does not have a voting system where one can create a vote that would run for one month or until 1000 votes have been collected. Then the majority would win and the chapter would be written (or deleted). The way how Wikipedia works today is a bit strange. Just you can argue against my contribution and you of course think that your argument has more weight than mine... How comes! --Indianapolis74 (talk) 16:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

No one is arguing that Le Mans is not the biggest event of the season. However, it is still part of a championship season, one of which is already two races old. It would be similar to listing all new cars at the Monaco Grand Prix, ignoring that all those cars have been competing elsewhere in the season long before Monaco. Further, since the LMP1 regulations for 2014 require everyone to build a new car, every car in the class is inherently new. Add to that the addition of the ZEOD, which is itself required to be a "car displaying new technologies" (CDNT), and its entry exists solely for this race, so inherently it has to be a new car. So making a seperate list of "new cars" to include this lot is redundant. The only truly new car is the Ligier JS P2, and we're not making a whole section of the article dedicated to one car.

You are right regarding LMP1. Each car is new there... but this is not the case each year. As said, for example Corvette C6.R raced for many years... And yes, let people contribute to the GP Monaco and list all new cars if they want. Redundancy is not an argument, as you would have to remove ALL descriptive text about the cars in the chapters as they are listed again in the entry list table... Many people want to have different views on the same thing, one is happy with the entry list only, another one prefers long texts where you hardly find the info you are looking for and the other one wants to browse new stuff only... So why do YOU think that your approach makes all users happy? You should be happy that there are people out there who want to contribute serious information. Let loose your pride, your ego as super-editor versus new users, make this step and add the chapter again please! And if you add it, please remove the Nissan ZEOD, that's really a special case as you mentioned (you might notice that I did not add that one, someone else contributed it). THANKS FOR ADDING THE CHAPTER! --77.56.51.10 (talk) 22:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Several people are arguing against your position, and are in agreement with each other. It is called a WP:CONSENSUS. Votes do not encourage agreement amongst all parties. The³5₉ (Talk) 17:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You call two people with the same opinion consensus? You're a funny person :-) Or do you think that you count as 500 newbee votes and the other one as well? Great.... --77.56.51.10 (talk) 21:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

This is a stupid discussion. There's no consensus to include a new car section. It would violate WP:WEIGHT as well as misrepresenting what "new" actually means. And edit warring this amateur-hour garbage into the article is totally unacceptable. -- Scjessey (talk) 00:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (Type 991)

Wouldn't it be worth mentioning the type of the porsche cars? Porsche lists their 911 models as 911 GT3 RSR (Type 997) oder (Type 991). See official website. --Indianapolis74 (talk) 09:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a 911 GT3 RSR Type 991. The 991 models are 911 RSRs, they are not homologated on the, yet to exist, GT3 model. The wikilinks also direct to the correct version of the 911. The³5₉ (Talk) 17:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Regulation changes in LMP1

Shouldn't there be a mention of the regulation changes in LMP1, and the introduction of LMP1-H & LMP1-L. I know these are mentioned in the 2014 FIA WEC article, but I think this belongs on the Le Mans page also, since a lot of people would only be looking at the 24 H, not the championship, and in the past, regulation changes that affect Le Mans and a championship have still been mentioned on the Le Mans race page, for eg 2011.

SchellZ (talk) 06:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2014 24 Hours of Le Mans/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Harrias (talk · contribs) 10:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Right then. Harrias ^talk 10:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• Why do you explain the abbreviation for LMP2, after not doing it for LMP1-L?
  • Added. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Circuit and regulation changes

• "Speeds within the zones are monitored by GPS systems now required on every car." I'd get rid of the "now", given it isn't 2014 anymore.
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• "In conjunction with the slow zone procedure an onboard marshalling system will warn drivers of the location of slow zones." Similarly, change "system will warn drivers" to "system warned drivers".
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Entries

• "As with the 2013 race, the American Le Mans Series was given two "at large" entries rather than entries for each class." I don't understand what this means by ""at large" entries".
  • I am not certain as to what "at large" means but I believe they are selected entries from the wider series (not necessarily the champion of an individual) or something along those lines. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I can't see this in the reference provided at all? Harrias ^talk 18:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
      • Since that is the case, the definition has been changed to the one provided in the source into the automatic entries table. MWright96 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
        • The prose will need changing too. Harrias ^talk 19:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
          • That task has been undertaken. MWright96 (talk) 19:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Testing and practice

• "Toyota set the pace of the day with a three minutes and 23.014 seconds lap set by Buemi.." Repetition of "set".
  • Resolved. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• "..in the second session, followed by Nakajima in the No. 7 Toyota in second. The No. 3 Audi of Marco Bonanomi was within a second of the top time, while the fastest Porsche was over a second and a half behind Buemi's lap." Immediately followed by this, which repeats "second" (in two meanings) quite a few times quickly. Might be largely unavoidable, but if it can be adjusted, that'd be great.
  • Changed it so it is two separate sentences. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Qualifying

• Is there any more information on Curtis; we find out that he was knocked unconscious, and didn't race, but little more.
  • Curtis was transported to hospital and was ruled out of Le Mans by doctors. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• "Calado's was injured from his second qualifying.." Should be "Calado was.."
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• The table doesn't need to be at 85% font size. Consider making it sortable, it looks like it would take it pretty well.
  • Have set the table size to 90%. With regards to it being made sortable, I had issues with the grid and class columns which are not in the correct desired and of which I cannot seem to fix. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Update. Table has been made sortable with the only issue being the class column. MWright96 (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Race

• Consider making a level-3 subheading for the warm-up session.
  • Added. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• I find it a little unbelievable that conditions at the start of the race were "air temperature ranging from 12.5–25 °C (54.5–77.0 °F) and a track temperature between 15.5–47 °C (59.9–116.6 °F)" That's a huge range for one moment in time.
  • The edits I have made should be much more clearer. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• For clarification "..while further up the Mulsanne several.." might be better as "..while further up the Mulsanne Straight several.."
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• "..bringing out the safety cars for the second time." Is there more than one safety car, or was this a typo?
  • No this is not a typo. The long layout of the Circuit de la Sarthe necessitates more than one safety car. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• "The resul meant Davidson, Laiperre and Wurz.." A couple of typos there!
  •  Done MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
• It would nice to have somewhere (unless I missed it) a clarification of the difference between LMP1-H and LMP1-L.
  • LMP1-H is the category reserved for hybrid cars while LMP1-L is filled by vehicles who do not have hybrid systems fitted to them. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

References

• All look good, checks reveal no evidence of copyvio or close para-phrasing.

Overall, another good piece of work, that I'll stick on hold. Harrias ^talk 11:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Harrias: Okay. I have made adjustments where possible and have replied where possible to your queries. MWright96 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick work on this one, it all looks good to me now. Harrias ^talk 21:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)