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Good article2011 Team Europcar season has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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March 28, 2012Good article nomineeListed

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Reviewer: Resolute (talk · contribs) 01:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
General
  • Images are good
    • Alternative text is not required for GA, but is always a good idea for accessibility reasons
  • Sources are good
  • Spotchecks revealed no issues with close paraphrasing
  • This article is good from the on-track perspective, but other than the additions to and departures from the team, is there any other off-track business to discuss? i.e.: I noticed that the team had a new name for this season, presumably due to new sponsorship. Could that be added? I know doping is always a concern in cycling. There were no such incidents with Team Europcar in this season, I trust? Additionally, it is noted that the team did not seek a certain level of status in the lead, but not the body.
Lead
  • Some of this may be a confusion between European flavours of English and North American, but the lead is slightly confusing to me as it switches from present tense to past to future. I expect to read that "it was the team's second season" since it is in the past, but if it is normal in Europe to use "It is", disregard. However, I think "They will have to be selected by race organizers..." should be changed to "They were selected by..." or similar since that statement is future tense on events in the past.
  • I got a little confused about how the first paragraph says it is the team's second season, but the next refers to 20 wins as being "one of its best seasons". If there are only two seasons, then it is either their best or their worst. It is implied that the team has existed at a different level in the past. Is it possible to note overall how many seasons the team has existed, specifying that they have been at their current level for two?
  • "For the second time in his career, team leader Thomas Voeckler wore the yellow jersey as race leader for ten days." - Picking nits, but: Was it the second time Voeckler wore the yellow jersey overall, or the second which he wore it for exactly ten days? Statement implies the latter. (note: I see reading later that he did specifically lead for 10 days on two occasions)
2011 Roster
  • Do you have a reference for the overall roster?
One-day races
  • "...Jérôme and Will Routley then broke away from two FDJ riders for a finale sprint..." - Are you intending to use "finale", or is that a misspelling of "final"?
  • Fixed to the final sprint. Simple typo, I believe. Craig(talk) 18:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • The final sentence of each sub-section, noting that the team participated in but did not finish above 11th, requires sources.
  • Referenced where possible. Some sites use sortable tables for their results, while others use generic columns, which require the use of Find to locate the team's riders. Apologies in advance. Craig(talk) 18:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Stage races
  • "Just as they had been in 2010 under their former guise as Bbox Bouygues Telecom, the team was very successful at La Tropicale Amissa Bongo in Africa." - Requires source for the 2010 success
  • "...and 1'22" over the peloton. He finished the race in 21st place overall..." - better to spell 1'22" out as one minute, 22 seconds.
Grand Tours
  • Again, a source noting they were excluded from the Giro d'Italia and Vuelta a España would be required
  • "...and a mediocre 13th of 22 teams in the stage 2 team time trial" - avoid peacock terms. If commentators described their finish as "mediocre", specify who made the claim. Otherwise, simply state they finished 13th.
  • "Stage 9 was one of the Tour's most important days." - What made it so important? I presume you are referring to the car crash and Voeckler taking over the yellow jersey, but this seems to be a minor POV violation.
  • "Stage 18 was undoubtedly the most difficult in the Tour, incorporating three hors catégorie climbs, including the Col du Galibier at the finish." - Needs a source, otherwise again reads as POV.
  • Inconsistent formatting: hors catégorie is spelled with diacritics on some uses, but without on others. Please check for consistency, especially on other French terms that may be treated similarly.
  • "it was at last a near certainty that he would lose the yellow jersey." Again, please explain who believed this to off-set POV concerns.
  • Tried to clarify in other words, without the words "near certainty". Craig(talk) 13:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Season victories
  • The wins are all cited in the body, but the footnotes explaining who was on each winning team could use a citation.
  • Citations added to start lists from the particular races. Craig(talk) 15:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Overall

Despite all of these notes, I think the article is in very good shape. Mostly just a couple minor POV-ish concerns, a couple citations, and wondering about some business aspects of the team's season. Accordingly, I am placing this nomination on hold pending resolution. Regards, Resolute 01:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

And my concerns are all addressed. I am now listing the article as a GA. Congrats! Resolute 01:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)Reply


The change of sponsor is really a story for the 2010 season. Wish I'd have been around when this article was being reviewed, but we know who's to blame for that :o) Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 01:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

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