Talk:2011 China floods/Archive 1

Casualties by Province

Looking at the news reports the figures are really difficult to track down

So I thought I'd try listing by Province until I've found the 12+ provinces that are reporting effects.

aha - this article says '13 provinces and autonomous regions' have been hit by heavy floods. that probably clarifies why I couldn't find 13 provinces worth of news reports. And then it goes on to say a total of over 10 million people are affected, and direct economic losses of 8.7 billion yuan (which I think is slightly over a billion USD) - it's only reporting 98 dead though and the [current official total is 105 dead 63 missing], so I guess 7 deaths have been reported since that article

this says 9 other provinces - so province affected = 10? I've now managed to track down 7 provinces + mongolia and Chongqing. Anyone else able to find more info? I have now dumped this section into the main article, changing all the external links to cite news bits ?EdwardLane (talk) 09:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Other Specifics

• Two people were killed and one was injured by lightning in Beijing, where more than 1,000 thunder strikes were recorded late Tuesday and early Wednesday (7th and 8th of june) reported here

• However, 2.15 million people are still affected by water shortages!??!?! still a drought despite the flooding - note ref used again below

• In Hunan province, The Tuojiang River, which runs through Fenghuang county, broke its banks submerging roads, The flash flooding blocked some roads in the county for more than 3 hours on Saturday the 4th of June [1]

Hunan

• By June 11th - 36 killed, 21 missing, 3.61 million people effected, 149,000 evacuated,

economic loss 2.22 billion yuan ($340 million) most rain for 300 years in parts according to this

• By June 13th - totals are 39 killed 21 still missing will be Cited again below as 'daily india'

Hubei

• by june 10 (reported June 14th) - more than 127,500 people evacuated, direct economic losses of 866 million yuan (133 million U.S. dollars [2]
• During the morning of June 11 the JTWC downgraded Sarika to a tropical depression after making landfall in Shantou, China. The JTWC soon issued their final advisory on Sarika. Sarika made land on mainland China with winds of 75 km/h (45 mph). As a result of the storm, 23 people were killed in Xianning, and ten more were declared missing. Damages from Sarika are estimated at $248 million.
• by June 13th - 29 killed, 10 missing 'ref daily india'
• June 14th - 53,000 people evacuated as level of a local river risen by five meters as of 7 p.m in the City of Xianning ref reliefweb

Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region

• June 13th - 4 killed, and nearly 1,000 farm animals 'ref reliefweb'

Guizhou

• by 6th of june 9 dead 13 missing
• by 7th of june economic losses estimated at 170 million yuan ($26.23 million)
• by 8th june nearly 100,000 evacuated since 3rd of june [3]
• by june 8th 21 killed and 32 missing, reported here
• by June 13th - 24 killed, 39 missing 'ref daily india'
• report june 13th - 25 killed, 31 missing [4]
• june 13th and 14th - 3 killed by lightning and 2,700 more were evacuated from areas at risk of flooding 'ref reliefweb'

Jiangxi

• June 7th - A family of five confirmed dead after their home was washed away in Jiangxi's Shangrao City.
• June 10th - About 20 people were trapped after their homes collapsed in rain-triggered floods. The maximum precipitation in some areas totaled 228 mm five hours [5]

• by June 13th - 13 killed 'ref daily india'

• by the afternoon of June 15th - 70,100 people evacuated, 1,320 houses toppled, in the worst-hit city of Dexing 5,200 were people trapped by floods and needing to be moved to safe places.ref 'shanghai daily'

Zhejiang

• Zhejiang already received 100 to 200 millimeters of rain between Saturday 4th and Monday 6th june

(still a drought despite the flooding)

• by June 15th - 2,059 people in 17 counties evacuated, 79 houses toppled and 2,370 hectares of farmland damaged 'ref shanghaidaily'

Anhui

• June 14th In the city of Huangshan in southern Anhui, water overflowed from 35 reservoirs and exceeded the warning levels in 124 reservoirs, according to the city flood control and drought relief headquarters (ref heavy down pours used again below)

Fujian

• Tropical Storm Sarika, rainfall in the last 24 hours (june 13th to 14th ?) has reached 50 to 80 mm. 7 killed in the ensuing landslide, and the water level in two hydrologic stations has exceeded the warning line. 'ref heavy downpours' (think those 7 are not counted as part of the 'flooding' casualties.

Chongqing

(the grey area on the map above that is just east of Sichuan)

• by 13th June - biggest daily rainfall reached 104.2 millimeters, more than 110,000 people affected 120 houses toppled, a direct economic loss of 55.5 million yuan

I've crossed out all the stuff I added to the article EdwardLane (talk) 10:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Casualty total

Looking at the info in the article - assumign al lthe sources are correct Casualty total would be 142 +7 from Sarika/landslide as of today. it's not been reported as that (I generally see 'more than 170 missing and dead' at the moment for a google search - and the missing total looks to be about 62).

Should the lead say 142/149 dead ? EdwardLane (talk) 14:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

more info

Info here says flooding depth 6.5 foot [6]

possible underground anthrax contaminating drinking water here [7]

Rice acreage in five flooded provinces accounts for nearly half of China's total rice area [8]

95 total casualties according to this [9]

In Xiannang's submerged Tongcheng county, over 11.8 inches (300 millimeters) of rainfall fell within four hours, a record [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardLane (talk • contribs) 12:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Ongoing Disaster

I was thinking about adding this article to the sidebar for ongoing events - disasters section. But I don't know where to nominate it for that, the article has been nominated at ITN - but I don't know if that makes any difference to its inclusion in the sidebar? Can it just be added there without any nomination process? EdwardLane (talk) 12:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Done EdwardLane (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

average rainfall image was removed?

I know it's not the most useful image but surely better than nothing - it's at least related to the subject - someone want to make a better one ? I'm putting it back for now.

EdwardLane (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Date formatting

Just a quick note to everyone: be sure to maintain date formatting as per WP:MOSDATE. Cheers, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I had it all in that format at one point - then changed it all, didn't realise date formats had a MOS section. Thanks EdwardLane (talk) 09:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Geography

OK the population map I added earlier has gone no problem, I thought population Map was better than nothing - as it gave an indication of percentage casualties. But basically it was useful to me because it named the provinces and I don't know my way around china - here's an interactive map that might be useful but it would be even better if someone could add blue for flooding that kind of thing anyone know how to go about that ? and if you happen to a proper tech wiz, can it be interactive and toggle flooding and casualties on and off based on data that could be entered in a dynamic table ? Or whatever the right words are to ask for the best display of flood, casualty, evac and location data is :) EdwardLane (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Click any province in yellow for more info. Go here for image description.

I was actually trying to make a map earlier showing the flooding, but I can't find a source that says what 13 provinces have been flooded.--Banana (talk) 03:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Not sure but this (google translated chinese water ministry page) looks interesting with several dams looking like they have exceeded their flood water levels today. There is still quite a lot in chinese that I can't follow - and I think there a few mistranslations - for example I think 'library' probably means 'storage' or something similar. EdwardLane (talk) 09:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

got a bit further with that website here's the english language tab

The average annual precipitation in different regions of Mainland China and Taiwan.

the average rainfall in the region is displayed here but that understandably looks like a report of the extent of the flooding - which it naturally resembles but that is not correct. If a tech wiz wants to create a nice map showing the actual flooding, the various casualties, and the difference between the expected rainfall in an area and the actual rainfall so far this year in the various areas that would be fab. EdwardLane (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

another item that looks interesting - as the Yangtze is clearly one of the big flood risks

Map of the location of the Three Gorges Dam, Sandouping, Yichang, Hubei Province, China and major cities along the Yangtze River

hmm more geograhphy stuff

Yellow river plus cities

Jiang means River

Ok I just checked in google using phonetic spelling and the word 'Jiang' appears to mean 'River'

So any red links to various rivers may be because the river is getting called the XXXjiang River or just the XXX river. I'm not sure what the common practice is in this case. Hmm, looks like that might need a consistant approach across all rivers in Chinese speaking areas, I'll see if I can get a consensus on the 'Talk:List_of_rivers_of_China'

EdwardLane (talk) 10:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

See WP:NC-ZH#Topographical. The generally accepted conventions/guidelines in effect asks editors to avoid such pleonasms as "Mudanjiang River". —HXL's Roundtable and Record 13:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm finding lots with this search. Many have been changed. Many remain. Would you like me to move the rest to the appropriate names? (e.g. Qianjiang River --> Qian River) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Well it seems like a good idea to get rid of the 'pleonasms' (a new word for me today - think I'd have used tautology) but carefully, on a case by case basis as there appear for instance to be more than one 'Lan' river so, in that case I changed the red links for 'Lanjiang River' into redlinks for 'Lan(Zhejiang) River' - also I'm noticing that Dams and their respective reservoirs all seem mixed up with articles on one or the other but rarely both, several of these Dams also seemed to have the xxxjiang river dam too. EdwardLane (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Anna asked me to comment on this so here goes. Jiang (江) does indeed mean river as does he (河), However, there are specific cases where the niceties of translations are ignored - for example the Yangtze River is referred to by the Chinese as the Chang Jiang (长江), literally the "long river" which nobody who isn't Chinese would recognize. However, in the examples quoted above, Mudanjiang River should just be Mudan River, the same goes for Qianjiang River -> Qian River. I think that this is a historical problem caused by non-Chinese speakers creating articles when they don't know the underlying meaning of the words, the same goes for shan (山) - mountain and probably a bunch of other geographical features too. ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 11:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

since end of june

I've been updating the casualty totals for the various provinces fairly accurately - but I've got rather busy in work, so I've had less spare time, as such the totals have not been updated properly since the end of june - state news apparently announced total casualties now stand at 355 dead and 112 missing. So I've updated the lead to that effect. If youre interested in more recent info do a google news search for 2011 china floods - and sort it by date you should get a bunch more info. EdwardLane (talk) 10:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Currencies

All currencies are stated in United States Dollars and Euros to recongize the right cost. Please do not remove the euros until you contact me if its wrong or not. --Katarighe (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It should be right--Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

still some flooding

I've not been updating the article for a while, but still some ongoing flooding

Four people died, 140,000+ were evacuated, 2.49 million 'affected' in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region by floods from tropical storm Nesat reported here

in Hainan, 29 trapped on a mountain after floods reported here

Guangxi province on October 3, 2011 streets flooded reported here

There is a good resource for keeping updated on floods in china here

Total dead or missing by the end of june looks not have risen much - and since then flooding looks to have mostly subsided (or is not reported) each tropical storm/typhoon brings economic losses, but not many look to be reporting casualties. I've not got time to update this into the article. EdwardLane (talk) 08:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

2012 China floods

The 2012 flood season has killed at least 800 people so far in China, accounting for the vast majority of deaths due to natural disasters in the months of May, June, and July in China. The death toll is much higher than in 2011, so an article is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.24.47 (talk) 07:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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