Talk:2007 Caribbean Cup

Tie Breakers

The reports from the official Digicel Football website on what happened in Group B seem to falsify (rather than simply dispute) the tie-breaking rules currently outlined in the article:

At the end of group play, if two or more teams are equal on points (including ties among third place teams), the manner in which teams will advance to the next round will be resolved as follows: (From here although Group D disputes this)

1. . The result of head-to-head competition between the tied teams (where applicable);

2. . The greatest difference between goals for and goals against from all group matches;

3. . The team having scored the most goals from all group matches.

4. . Failing this, the qualified team shall be determined by a drawing of lots carried out by the Executive Committee.

The site doesn't have anything explicitly stating what the Tie Breaking rules are, but it seems that the first two steps can be inferred from the site's reporting. The reporting I'm talking about come from the match reports for the game of St. Vincent and the Grenadines vs St. Lucia and Jamaica vs Haiti. In the one for the Vincies vs the Lucians, it says "The margin of the win was crucial, as Jamaica defeated Haiti 2-0 in the other game of the night in Group D, St Vincent progressed by virtue of goals scored. " This apparently means that St. Vincent went on because it scored more goals than Jamaica. However, it seems that this wasn't all, because the report for Jamaica vs Haiti says, "St Vincent & the Grenadines’ 8-0 win earlier in the day against St Lucia left Jamaica needing to win by three goals to qualify. " If Jamaica had won by 3 goals, then they would've had a superior goal difference to St. Vincent, so it's clear that goal difference is the first consideration.

Since SVG beat Jamaica, it's clear that a head-to-head isn't the first step to tie-breaking. So apparently in the case of ties the first few steps are:

1. . The greatest difference between goals for and goals against from all group matches;

2. . The team having scored the most goals from all group matches.

So I'm editing the section on Tie Breaking in the main article to reflect what we know. ~ Hairouna 18:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hey, you missed the boat here. Head to head is still the first tiebreaker. When three teams are tied, the head to head tiebreaker counts matches between all tied teams. All three were 1-1 vs each other, so you move on to the next tiebreaker (goal differential). Haiti beats out the other two teams, so they're first. Jamaica and St. Vincent are still tied, so it then goes to goals scored. You don't go back to the first tiebreaker just because Haiti gets first on the second one. --Scaryice 05:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

What does this mean: "In the other Group D encounter, Fabian Dawkins and Wilfred Smith scored for Jamaica (2-1-0, 6 Points) in the 2:0 win against Haiti (2-1-0, 6 Points), but the reggae boyz were eliminated from the Digicel Caribbean Cup as they lost the tiebreakers to the Haitians (goal difference) and the vincy heat (head-to-head)"[1]? ~ Hairouna 16:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The CONCACAF article is wrong. The Digicel official site is right. --Scaryice 01:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Haha, but is it as easy as that? It looks like the CONCACAF article is trying to explain the thing in terms of the Gold Cup rules, but they come up with that confusing bit. Either way, it shows that Digicel's rules aren't exactly clear. (If they were, would CONCACAF's reporters be making that mistake?) ~ Hairouna 02:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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