Talk:2002 Pacific hurricane season

Todo/GA

• I think being a GA is basically the equivalent of A-class on our assessment scale, so it should be discussed on the wikiproject page too (I have done so above).
• The season summary section is too short - basically the same length as the intro. This should either be folded into the intro or expanded.
• Each storm's section should have length proportional to that storm's notability (regardless of any daughter articles that cover the storm). The article violates this principle in that Fausto has the longest section by far, while Kenna has the shortest.

— jdorje (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

GA nom has failed

The Good article nomination for 2002 Pacific hurricane season has failed for the following reason:

(References are too jargon-filled WP:CITE; article reads as more of a list than a well-written atricle.) - Davodd 15:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ele & Huko

The storm tracks for Hurricanes "Ele" and "Huko" should really include the track while west of 180 meridian. Hurricanes "John" and "Li" in 1994 had full tracks including while west of the dateline, so why not these storms? RaNdOm26 18:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The problem was that the NHC best track data included the complete tracks for John and Li. However, only the Central Pacific part of Ele and Huko is in the NHC best tracks file. The continuation had to be collected from the JTWC. It's not perfect, as the JTWC tracked both storms in the EPac too, and had a slightly different track to the CPHC (for some bizarre reason).--Nilfanion (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

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Hi! I will be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up within a few hours. Dana boomer (talk) 17:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   • It would be great if there were some sort of storm summary table, either an extensive one such as there is at the end of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season article, or a simple one such as there is at the beginning of the "Storm" section of the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season article.
   • The lead should be expanded. For an article this length, the lead would ideally be three large paragraphs.
   • In the "Storm names" section, please give a reason for why there were two different sets of names being used.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   • References are needed in several places:

   • Season summary section, 2nd paragraph, last two sentences
   • Hurricane Elida, first two paragraphs
   • Hurricane Fausto, first paragraph

   • Current ref #3 needs a title, instead of a bare link.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   • I would like to see a larger summary of the season. What were the pre-season forecasts? What was the total damage caused by all the storms? What was the largest storm?

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

I have some concerns about the broadness of this article, as well as some other minor issues with referencing and MOS. I am putting this article on hold until these issues can be resolved. If you have any questions, please let me know here on the review page or on my talk page. Dana boomer (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I added an ACE table and a timeline. I have added references to the missing places you brought up and added a paragraph to the lead. I checked the NHC/CPC and there were no seasonal forecasts. They began in 2005 and testing starting in 2003. I added that Kenna was the most damaging and costliest to the seasonal summary. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 05:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I have begun a copyedit of the article, working on grammar as well as removing some unencyclopedic tone. I have made it up to Tropical Storm Iselle (this is more a note for myself than anything). I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on the article this weekend, but I promise to have it done (with any remaining comments for you) by Monday night. If you have any questions, please let me know. I apologize for taking so long to finish this...some RL things have unexpectedly come up :( Dana boomer (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

It's fine to deal with RL first, WP second. Just be forewarned that on weekdays I won't be on WP until mid-afternoon. Also, I assume that your not strikethroughing out the part about the lead being expanded means that you think it should be still longer? If so, I can handle that later this weekend. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I got a little extra time online this weekend, so I've completed the copy-edit of the article. The only prose issue I found was:

• In Hurricane Kenna, second paragraph - Do the first few sentences refer to historical records or season records? Please make this clear.

The lead could be a little longer (I meant to include that in my last post, but apparently forgot). However, it's not a big deal.

Because neither of the above issues are anything except pickiness, I'm going to pass the article to GA status. Nice work on the article, and congrats! Dana boomer (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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Split the timeline?

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Since last month, I have requested the split of timeline in behalf of Modokai in the project discussion. However there is no discussion since last January, as such I opt to continue the discussion here. MarioJump83! 08:26, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

LightandDark2000, Destroyeraa, Chicdat: Consider giving your opinions regarding this one. MarioJump83! 08:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Original discussion

In recent days, Modokai restored a merged article Timeline of the 2002 Pacific hurricane season without telling our project about splitting. When I first caught Modokai splitting that article yesterday I reverted their edits and cautioned them about what they are doing. They told me that they aren't doing anything wrong, and I replied to them that I was just telling them to not split these articles without seeking consensus first (as well as removing the caution to assume good faith). Now they're back at it, without even searching for consensus at all. As such I had to bring this up in here (and reverting their edits once again) to prevent further edit warring and as well as seeking for the consensus by myself. Should Timeline of the 2002 Pacific hurricane season be restored? MarioJump83! 08:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@MarioJump83: What was the rational of merging it? I'd like to see that first before making up my mind. Thanks, ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 17:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Destroyeraa, see Talk:Timeline of the 2002 Pacific hurricane season#Merge?. MarioJump83! 23:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

It looks like the timeline was never completed, which is why it was merged. If Modokai wishes to split the article and complete the timeline, I don't see the issue. There's already a well-established precedent for the creation of season timelines (provided that they are comprehensive), so I don't know if there needs to be a dedicated discussion for creating a timeline for this particular season. — Iunetalk 23:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually, please disregard, I forgot that the timeline is already completed and present on the main season article. — Iunetalk 23:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Continued discussion

• Oppose Timeline is quite short, and there is a reason why the featured article nomination was failed. MarioJump83! 08:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose To split, the article must usually be approaching the upper limit of readable prose size. This article is not anywhere near there. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:01, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support - I'm a bit late... I would be willing to work on the timeline if we split it. It would only take a week or two for me to complete if we split. CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 21:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose — Though I am a bit late... Per MarioJump83 and Chicdat. ~~ 🌀𝚂𝙲𝚂 𝙲𝙾𝚁𝙾𝙽𝙰🌀 18:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose I believe that the timeline is relatively short, and thus I believe that we should not split the timeline. Gummycow ^moo_milk 16:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
• Comment It appears that timeline split is never going to happen. And this discussion has been dragging on for months, so the discussion is stale. Is there anyone to close this? @LightandDark2000: MarioJump83! 08:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Fausto (2002) into 2002 Pacific hurricane season

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Fails WP:NWX; no land impact and no meteorological reason for the article. This could be summarized fairly easily within the season article. Noah, AA^Talk 14:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree - Fausto is clearly unnotable, having no impacts or records to protect it from being merged to the main article. ''Flux55'' (talk) 17:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

The meteorological reasoning at the time was it's regeneration north of Hawaii fwiw. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 16:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - the season article already covers most of the content in the Fausto article. I don't think the unique meteorological history is reason enough to keep the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Tropical Storm Julio (2002) into 2002 Pacific hurricane season

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The season section is quite small and I don't feel there's much here that couldn't be said in the storm's section. Noah, AA^Talk 14:35, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - nothing here that can't fit in the section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support merge – no impact, no wider coverage, and the pertinent details can be stated in the season article with ease. Drdpw (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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