Talk:1996 Atlantic hurricane season

Hurricane Huron

Should this "Hurricane" be included? It is a pretty unusual occurrence, and I see other seasons have unusual storms (2004 mentions Catarina, 1994 mentions December Subtropical Storm). I think the storm is fascinating, and it could be mentioned. Here are some links:

• http://www.whyy.org/tv12/franklinfacts/sep1202ff.html
• http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/?page=stories/dtxcane

Hurricanehink 17:54, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

While this storm is incredibly impressive, there is little meteorological evidence to support that this was a hurricane. For Catarina, we have compelling data to support that it was a hurricane, including analysis from NHC experts (Jack Beven). I haven't even found wind readings, so this storm may not have even had hurricane-force winds. It was probably an intense Arctic storm (known as a "Freshwater Fury") with abnormally cool cloud-tops (indications of a warmer core). Even in that incredible satillite photo, you can pick out signs of a cold core system. Note that the western half of the storm is completely open, the main convection only loosely wrapped around the center. Based on this, I would recommend against adding it. However, this storm may have briefly attained subtropical characteristics.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Meh, sounds good. I hadn't thought of it too much, but you're right. Best to leave here at the talk pages. Hurricanehink 18:20, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Wrong. TimL 21:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Look's good. It should be mentioned somewhere, though not necessarily in the storm section. It could fit in the intro. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to work it in if no one beats me to it. TimL 03:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Having read the full article, to me the implication seems to be that the storm had features of a tropical cyclone, like a polar low. One sentence in particular "It is believed that the Huron system was akin to the cold-low class of polar lows". Therefore I don't think it belongs in this article, though with the information there it might be an idea to give it its own article (and not part of WPTC).--Nilfanion (talk) 09:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The abstract that Tim mentioned says it was warm core. It doesn't say anything about cold-core. I don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hink, I was quoting from the full article, which is available there. Warm-core != tropical; polar lows are too. Just because it was warm-core doesn't make it a TC (read the full article before deciding).--Nilfanion (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How were you able to access the full article? TimL 20:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The "Print version" link - if you right click and save it should download (its a 8MB pdf).--Nilfanion (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I always thought that button was for a print version of the abstract! (Man all the ams articles I would have read). That said, I don't agree with you that polar lows are warm core. An after reading the full article, the authors build a pretty solid case that the storm intensified do to the warmth from the waters of the great lakes. TimL 21:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, note that only some articles are freely available to download however :( I agree the authors make a solid case that that storm was associated with the lake, and changed in structure as it did so. However I do think polar lows are warm core, judging from what an appropriate Google search generates. The full article is certainly an interesting read though. I do not believe it belongs in this article any more than a Mediterranean tropical cyclone would (the Med is part of the Atlantic). That storm is certainly an interesting thing to write about but it doesn't belong here IMO.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Tim, I agree with you, the whole article makes a strong case. Even if it wasn't fully tropical (unlikely), it still deserves a mention, along with a link to the article. The Mediterranean is far removed enough to not be part of this, and should be on its own as a basin, though the Great Lakes have never been encountered before. If it were to be mentioned anywhere, it should be here, though the article could possibly provide enough information for a full article. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

After digesting the whole thing I'm undecided as if it should go in this article, actually leaning towards it not, because I think it falls just outside the scope of this article. I agree with Nilfanion that it should be written about somewhere. TimL 01:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, it could go in the Other Storms section. The other storm that's there wasn't a storm, but still had some info and deserved there. It could go like this. "From September 11 to the 15th, an intense, warm core cutoff low developed over Lake Huron, an area unseen by tropical cyclones. The low resembled a hurricane at times, with an eyewall, spiral bands of rain, relatively warm water temperatures beneath it, and little vertical shear above it. The system dropped moderate rainfall across southwestern Ontario and northeastern Michigan, peaking at 4.1 inches along the southern coast of the Georgian Bay. It is unknown if it was tropical or not." Something like that. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the logical thing is to have an article for the storm and a mention in other storms comparable to what is in tropical cyclone. I don't think a full in-depth summary has any point to it as the storm isn't relavant to 1996AHS but mentioning its existence seems sensible. "Other storms" as a section is potentially very useful; the storm in the article and the huroncane are obvious candidates for a mention. Perhaps we should consider what is appropriate for other storms centrally?--Nilfanion (talk) 11:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That works. There's plenty of information in that article, and that way we could get all of the discrepancies out. The question is, what would it be called? "Hurricane Huron" would be misleading, as there's not enough evidence for that. There were only TS winds with a pressure of 993 mb, not quite enough to claim hurricane status. Would it be part of the WPTC? Yea, Other storms could definetly become useful. OS could allow for notable tropical waves or other storms that have no other place. For example, 2004AHS's other storms, assuming we did it, could include the May wave in Haiti and Catarina. So should we add Huron into the OS section? Hurricanehink (talk) 12:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Images for each storm

Here we go again.

• Tropical Storm Arthur
• Hurricane Dolly
• Tropical Storm Gustav
• Hurricane Isidore
• Tropical Storm Josephine
• Tropical Storm Kyle
• Hurricane Marco

Will finish later. Hurricanehink 16:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Couple more. Can't finish during school. Hurricanehink 17:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. Hurricanehink 20:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

That is a sweet picture of Lili! Love It! Cyclone1 02:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Theres gotta be somethin better that Gustav. I'm lookin for one now.—Cyclone1 14:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Ok i was wrong nothing better for Gustav, but i did find a few more. They're all from Goes, Noaa and Nasa.

• This pic of Edouard is like five-THOUSASND times beter than the one we have currently
• Hortense; see above statement about Edouard.
• Similar to the one we have now of Isidore, but colored.

They are all public domian. Cyclone1 14:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

They're all pretty good, but they all have words. It's fine if it has the NOAA logo on the top left with the storm's name, but those three have a lot of words on the top of the image, and it would look cluttered and weird with the big white letters. Hurricanehink 16:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I see like Hurricane Gordon. I don't like that picture for that exact reason. Cyclone1 16:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

If a version exists with text, you will almost certainly be able to find one without the text if you look hard enough. For instance isn't it possible to see the original GOES imagery and cut that part of the image out? — jdorje (talk) 18:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly? Editing the text out ourselves? If we have to for Edouard, let's please do. As Hink said in the 1998 discussion page, the eye pics are the golden ones, right Hink?—Cyclone1 21:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

No, you can't edit the text out (there's nothing to replace it with). What I'm saying is if you keep looking you'll probably find a version without the text. — jdorje (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, you could edit it out through photoshop. I know I shouldn't have, but I did this for Alex from 1998 (edited from here). A few changes in the clouds in the background really isn't going to make a difference, and provided the image is one of the best of the storm, I don't see the harm. Hurricanehink 22:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not that good at photoshoping stuff. I'll just keep looking, at least for Edouard. Cyclone1 00:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Bingo! Awesome Eye shot of Ed!!! Check it out! No big words, Eye, Full hurricane can be seen, Great shot. →Cyclone1→ 23:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice! Feel free to upload it. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've just edited the words out of that picture.[1] How does it look? Can we use it even if I slightly edited it? -- RattleMan 23:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I've done that before. That looks great! Hurricanehink (talk) 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! Consider it uploaded! →Cyclone1→ 00:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Much better! →Cyclone1→ 00:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I found another Edouard pic, and I think this could be the best one we have. Here is the link. It is of the storm at peak intensity, and though it is a little far out, it shows the features of the fully-developed hurricane better than the existing image. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I like it a lot better. The one now is at category three strength. Nice find. →Cyclone1→ 02:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded it, but it's probably a little too far zoomed out. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean but I think the one we have now is a little too zoomed in. I like the new one better. →Cyclone1→ 05:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Should we add the new one in? --Hurricanehink (talk) 12:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. →Cyclone1→ 20:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Due to a recent GIBBS miracle, I gave the old Gustav pic the axe and uploaded a new one. As you can see, I tried to find this picture before, and just found it now. →Cyclone1→ 16:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Now, there's the little matter of Cesar and his current picture in omparison with this one. This one shows the true large size of Cesar. Better? And Kyle's pic isn't that great either. →Cyclone1→ 16:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It is a little better, but I personally like the existing Cesar. I think that the existing image shows the true size, while the GIBBS Infrared is a little misleading. However, Kyle would be great to re-do. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the existing image is probably better for Cesar actually (or would be after a bit of photoshopping), the Kyle image could be replaced. GIBBS isn't that great when compared to other imagery as it is low-res. However it has ease of use, the other sources don't have that.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I uploaded the Isidore one Cyclone suggested. GIBBS does have its down sides, so we should try and use images that are already zoomed in whenever possible. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Very true. The only thing I dislike about the Ceasar image is that you can barley see the hurricane. But I'm a bit out-numbered so, oh well. Should I switch Kyle images? →Cyclone1→ 22:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. The Cesar image can be fixed if anyone has photoshop. Anyone? --Hurricanehink (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Not me. Sorry. →Cyclone1→ 22:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I've got it, I can get it sorted soon. It just needs a bit of brightening doesn't it?--Nilfanion (talk) 22:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yea. Just a little... not too much. --Hurricanehink (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I might have overdone it actually, its at Image:Hurricane_Cesar_1996.jpg, what do you think?--Nilfanion (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No, that's great. Maybe it's a tad too bright, but at least you can see the storm now. --Hurricanehink (talk) 15:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of approval, lol. Still its much better than what there was before.--Nilfanion (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a very nice image. Where is it from? TimL 18:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The original uploader didn't say unfortunately. I found it here, it was taken by DMSP satellites. I've updated the image to reference the original source.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded the Kyle GIBBS image. →Cyclone1→ 21:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Three NC Storms

Two Hurricanes made a direct landfall in North Carolina; and T.S. Arthur nearly made landfall, and still affected the area. Could we add something to the summary about this? Weatherman90 15:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. But Arthur did pass over the Outer Banks. It did make landfall, kinda. Cyclone1 14:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

All done weatherman.Mitchazenia V3.0 21:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Todo

I think either this season should be downgraded to start class, or 97 should be upgraded to a B. This is just as great as 97, I think. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 21:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

The season summary needs a cleanup, and badly. It should focus more on the season as a whole, not necessarily on the particular storms. Overall details, like the fact that three storms affect North Carolina, should be mentioned there. Any overall records (like the number of major hurricanes) or statistics should be mentioned there. However, details like which storm was in which month in order isn't that useful as a summary (that's what the storm summaries are for). Hurricanehink (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1996 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheAustinMan (talk · contribs) 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 12george1! I will be reviewing the article, 1996 Atlantic hurricane season. As is typical of my latest reviews, I will typically copy and paste a portion of the article in question, in italics, followed by my comments and qualms. By default the review is placed on hold for the week, and if problems cannot be fixed by then, the nomination will fail. Since this is a mid-importance season article of the tropical cyclones wikiproject, I will be spotchecking for consistency and precision. Good luck.

P.S. - Ignore the random non-spaces I have, my browser has a tendency to ignore spaces when I copy/paste the stuff from the article. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

General Reminders

• Remember to add non-breaking spaces between numeric values and their identifiers. Peer reviewer has identified this as a problem in the article, and though I may point out a few cases, to keep this review short you should find these on your own as well.
• Where applicable, link jargon and other uncommon terms. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• "The 1996 Atlantic hurricane season was the first Atlantic hurricane season since 1965 in which every tropical cyclone attained tropical storm intensity." → This should also be somewhere in the body of the article. As for now it is unsourced.

• Couldn't source it, so I switched the opening sentence to something different.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Featuring a total of thirteen named storms, nine hurricanes, and six major hurricanes" → As is typical of WPTC's articles generally 'major hurricane' should be linked to tropical cyclone scales, or a note could be placed indicating what a major hurricane is.

• The new lede sentence fixes this problem.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...while the final cyclone, Hurricane Marco dissipated on November 24." → HURDAT, and the storm's section and article, says November 26 as the dissipation date.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The season featured four tropical cyclone landfalls,..." → What? Only four? I counted at least eight. (Bertha, Cesar, Dolly, Fran, just to name a few).

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...the highest number produced in a single season since 1961." → I'd also like to see this sourced and in the article as well.

• Actually, it was 1964. This was also fixed with the new lede sentence.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The four most notable tropical cyclone of the season were Hurricanes Bertha,..." → typically in plural form 'hurricanes' is not capitalized.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...causing a total of 12 deaths and $335 million (1996 USD);..." → $335 million what? Bananas?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The system produced severe wind and flooding damage, leading to 113 deaths and $202.96 million in damage." → You repeat 'damage' twice, so you can axe out the first instance of 'damage' in my opinion.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Collectively, the tropical cyclone of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season caused $8.41 billion in damage and 256 deaths." → Make 'tropical cyclone' plural. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Season summary

Pre-season forecasts

• According to the Reference #1 it would appear that the CSU forecasted 11 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 3 major hurricanes, which goes against the table. Also, it never mentions 'December 1995' as the date or time of forecast. And where are you getting the other forecasts from that table? I only see one row for '1996'.

• I'm not sure what you're talking about. It is all there in the reference.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• What does 'WRC' stand for? It's never stated in the article. Sure, we get 'Weather Research Center' but where's the '(WRC)' that should follow?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Lately we've had a source column as well in the season forecast table – perhaps you can try moving the references there instead of in the forecasting consortiums' column.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "A normal season as defined by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), has eleven named storms, of these six reach hurricane strength, and two major hurricanes,..." → Two things. First, add a comma after 'season' if you're going to also place a comma after '(NOAA)'. Issue two – Reference #3 says 12.1 named storms and 2.7 major hurricanes, and these numbers contradict what is stated in the article. Also, these are averages for 1981–2010, so 48.2% of that sample size were of storms occurring after 1996. You might want to find a better source.

• Should I use CSU's 1950-2000 average?--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm gonna use both if that's ok.--12george1 (talk) 19:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Seasonal activity

• "...which was well above the 1950–2005 average of two per season." → Reference #3 has since been updated so that average is now 1981–2010, not 1950–2005.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if Reference #6 is the best source for relaying information that the year's waters were neither in an El Nino or La Nina state. After all, it is just a bunch of blue and red and black numbers, which only state 'warm' and 'cold' episodes for the Pacific. If possible find a better source, though I'm a bit lenient on this.

• But isn't a season neutral if the numbers aren't red or blue?--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Seven hurricanes and three tropical storms made landfall during the season..." → Lead says four, I said eight (I'm probably wrong, I just looked at maps), and this says ten total. One of them is wrong, :P

• Six hurricanes and three tropical storms. So the total is 9.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Hurricane Edouard and Hurricane Marco also indirectly caused damage and fatalities, but neither storm made an official landfall." → The season effects table says Edouard caused two deaths and Marco caused 14, none of these were indirect according to that.

• Didn't mean to throw that word "indirectly" in there.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Four tropical cyclones formed in October..." → Four? I count three. And if it was really four, then it should be included with August as the most active months of the season.

• August? What month is right before October? :P --12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "I5 is only calculated for full advisories..." → What's I5? A new calculatory rating system? TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• I must have hit the 5 on my keyboard rather than a "t" :P --12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Storms

• The '1)' in 'Marco (C1)' in the timeline is clipped off.

• I added a section for December, even though there were no storms that month.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Category 4 is from 130-156 mph, and Category 3 is from 111-129 mph, both of these ranges disagree with the table.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Arthur

• "...Atlantic subtropical ridge." → I can assure you there are many subtropical ridges in the Atlantic, not only one. Also, link it.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...North Carolina with winds of 45 mph (75 km)." → I never knew you could convert raw speed values into distance.

• Oops :P --12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Cape Lookout is ambiguous per peer reviewer. That's the only ambiguous linkage in the article, also per that bot.

• I think that page is messed up. I have it linked to Cape Lookout (North Carolina).--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "As the center of Arthur passed 75 miles (120 km)..." → Be consistent with your conversions, it's either miles or mi. I understand you use miles in all cases, but then that would be you'd also have to use 'miles per hour' as well. One of these needs to be fixed. Also, since we're discussing this, you're missing non-breaking spaces here too.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Reference #14 is dead, I suggest finding the updated link again and web-archiving it.

• TheAustinMan is dead :P --12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "In addition, Arthur also brought precipitation to Georgia and Virginia, though amounts rarely exceeded 3 inches (76 mm)." → Reference #13 says nothing about this.

• That should have been with the WPC source.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Link C-MAN to the Coastal-Marine Automated Network.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Bertha

• There's quite a few place names you can link to in the first paragraph of Bertha.

• Did I get them all?--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...while located about 500 miles (800 km) east of Cape Verde." → More like 575 miles south of Cape Verde. And yeah, link Cape Verde.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...the western periphery of the subtropical ridge..." → Again, what subtropical ridge?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...towards the north-northeast and re-strengthening." → 'North-northeast' brings it away from North America and towards Atlantic Canada and beyond. I think you mean north-northwest.

• Nope. Look at which direction the track is moving when Bertha re-strengthened to a Category 2.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...moved up the Mid-Atlantic..." → Make sure you have 'states' after Mid-Atlantic. And yeah, link that too and all the place names in that first paragraph, I could list all of them if I wanted to but I don't want to.

• Wikilinked already in the lede--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...of which 43 lost their roofs. Many boats were destroyed." → Reference #16 says nothing about these factoids.

• Oops, that belongs with the July 1996 Storm Data.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Reference #17 is dead. Again, web-archive these storm data links before they expire.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The storm caused 3 deaths in Puerto Rico, 1 direct and 2 indirect." The problem with this is that Reference #16 doesn't explicitly state that they were indirect or direct deaths, just states broadly that there was an automobile incident, killing two, and a surfing incident, killing one. You never know, maybe the winds drove a 2x4 into the automobile and killed the occupants, which would be a direct death. Just saying.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The storm caused numerous power outages and damage 10 homes in Antigua and Barbuda." → Past tense for damage please.

• Fix :P--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Again, Reference #17 is dead so I don't know how to confirm whether the information sourced by it is factually correct.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...with at least 4 destroyed." → This factoid is not supported by Reference #16.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Cesar

• "...near Isla Margarita of Venezuela on July 24." → Not sourced by Reference #20.

• Actually it does. "satellite images indicate that a tropical depression formed from the disturbed weather at 1800 UTC 24 July when the circulation center was moving just to the north of the island of Margarita along the north coast of Venezuela." --12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Either you capitalize the 'the' in 'the Bahamas' or you don't. Be consistent.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...2 of which were from a mudslide in Pueblo Bello." → That's up for grabs. The newspaper only says that it was an avalanche. It could also be a mudslide, landslide, or debris flow.

• Actually, the terms are very similar, so I don't think it would make a big difference.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Strong winds and significant amounts of precipitation lashed the Archipelago of San Andrés, Providencia and Santa Catalina, unroofing 60 homes, resulting in 11 fatalities,..." → Reference #25 says nothing about the unroofing of 60 homes. Also the sentence structure makes it seem like the unroofings caused the deaths per se. You should use 'and' instead of a comma for those factoids.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...and resulting in 800 million COP ($440,00 USD)." → We faced this issue earlier. Again, 800 million in what, bananas? (Hint: It's damage).

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Reference #27 died.

• Found archive URL on WayBack Machine--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...and 40 km (25 mi) of road were destroyed." → What's with the sudden switch to metric first customary last? :P

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Costa Rica, river flooding damaged 51 houses and washed away 213 more; 72 bridges were also destroyed. The road network was significantly damaged." → Nothing about 51 damaged houses, nothing about 213 washed away houses, nothing about 72 bridges, and nothing about road networks from Reference #28. Pretty much wrong place wrong ref.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Connection timeout for Reference #29. Also, I'm not sure why you have |type=Report when the reference is using the {{cite report}} template. Sounds redundant.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Additionally, 13 people drowned in El Salvador and 2 were killed in Mexico." → According to Reference #30 there's no entry for Cesar in Mexico and how do you know those in El Salvador drowned according to the source? Furthermore, the source states 12 dead in El Salvador, and not 13.

• I guess I will remove the deaths from Mexico--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Overall, Cesar caused 113 deaths and $202.96 million in damage." → Not a fan of the reference spam following this sentence. Perhaps you could do something similar to what you did with Reference #7.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

That'll be it for now. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Dolly

• "...while located west-southwest of Jamaica." → Unsourced by Reference #31. That reference only specifies a "south to southwest" (SSW) location before it underwent cyclogenesis.

• If you see the track for yourself, you can tell Dolly developed west-southwest of Jamaica--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "It strengthened into Tropical Storm Dolly about twelve hours later." → General rule of thumb – never use 'it'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Later that day or early on August 22,..." → There's only one time that Dolly exits the Yucatan Peninsula so there definitely shouldn't be an 'or'.

• I think the latter day would be correct.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "It deepened further and was upgraded to a hurricane again at 1200 UTC on August 23;" → Again, don't use 'it'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Around that time, it struck between Tuxpan, Veracruz and Tampico, Tamaulipas at the same intensity." → You already say that it was 'around that time' so 'at the same intensity' is redundant, after all, it was 'around that time'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "The storm brought heavy rainfall to much of Mexico, peaking at 37.41 inches (950 mm)." → Not sourced by Reference #31.

• Oops, meant to add WPC as the source.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "In Quintana Roo, flooding destroyed a large farm." → According to Dolly's TCR, a lot of farm land was lost. That does not mean it came from one farm.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Throughout Mexico, there were fourteen fatalities reported, seven in Veracruz, three in Nuevo León, and one in Monterrey. " → Actually there were six in Veracruz, three in N.L., and one apiece in Monterrey and Pueblo Viejo.

• Pueblo Viejo is a city in Veracruz.--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Edouard

• "The storm remained a major hurricane hurricane for nearly eight days, an unusual occurrence." → Sure, Reference #9 says it lasted for a major for eight days, but never says it was unusual.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 23:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• "It approached Nantucket, Massachusetts," → Again, do not use 'it'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Strong waves in New Jersey drowned 2 surfers." → One was a surfer, the other was a boater. They were not both surfers.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "In the latter, wind gusts up to 90 mph (145 km/h) left two-thirds of Nantucket..." → You just linked Nantucket earlier.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "In Canada, the storm brought rainfall up to 5.5 inches (140 mm)..." → The reference states 136mm, so you can always be more specific and say 5.35 in (136 mm).

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Fran

• "...Tropical Storm Fran on August 27 while 1,036 miles (1,667 km) east of the Lesser Antilles." → Why the sudden specificity in distance here? You round to the nearest 100 in other conversion cases.

• Actually it needs to be 1,035 miles, rounded to the nearest 5.--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "However, Fran became less organized due to Hurricane Edouard and weakened back to a tropical storm." → Here's where you can get more specific. You should say Edouard disrupted inflow into Fran.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "After moving west-northwestward and then north-northwestward, the storm slowly strengthened." → Did Fran strengthen during this time or only after this time?

• It was while moving west-northwestward and then north-northwestward.--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "At 0000 UTC, Fran peaked as a Category 3 hurricane..." → 0000 UTC on what date?

• September 5--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Early on the following day, the storm made landfall near Cape Fear, North Carolina at the same intensity." → With no indication of date in the last sentence, 'the following day' becomes meaningless.

• My response to the previous issue fixed this.--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "In South Carolina, the outerbands..." → Space needed between 'outer' and 'bands'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Gustav

• "An area of disturbed weather, accompanied with a low-level cloud circulation,..." → Circulations and vorticities are the result of wind flow, not clouds. As such, 'low-level circulation', not 'low-level cloud circulation'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "...while located about 150 miles (240 km) south of Cape Verde." → No distance is given in Reference #39.

• Ok, but what would you like me to say regarding the location of where Gustav developed?--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "On August 28, the depression began a motion to its northwest due to an approaching trough." → That's one really strange way to say that a depression turned to the northwest. Find a simpler, more concise way to word a change in direction.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "At 1200 UTC on August 29, Gustav reached its peak intensity as a 45 mph (75 km/h) and a minimum barometric pressure of 1,005 mbar (29.7 inHg)." → It held the same intensity twelve hours earlier.

• At the bottom of the NHC best track table on the TCR, it says "29/1200". Must have been a typo.--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Thereafter, the trough that had previously caused the storm's northwestward motion, transitioned into an upper-level low pressure, which increased shear across the region." → Allow me to suggest wording. 'Thereafter, the trough previously causing the storm's northwestward motion transitioned into an upper-level low, increasing shear across the region.']

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• "Gustav dissipated at 0600 UTC on the following day, while situated about 1,015 miles (1,633 km) east-northeast of the northernmost Lesser Antilles." → Again, no distance was given. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 02:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

• See previous issue about distance.--12george1 (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Hortense

• "On Guadeloupe, damage was most significant to crops, with over 90% of banana plantains destroyed." → It said 50% on the book listed at Reference 45. Couldn't find anything about '90%' on Reference 44 though.

• Oops, I must have misread the number or something.--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "In Dominican Republic..." → Needs a 'the' before 'Dominican'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "Flooding also forced the closure of several roads and impacted 90% of crops in Samaná Province." → Should be 80%, not 90%.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "Only minor impact was reported in the Bahamas,..." → The amount of damage on an island cannot be deduced from the recordings of a weather station over two days. Either find another source or change the sentence's desired meaning.

• Better?--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "...and Turks and Caicos Islands." → Again, you cannot use wind speeds to judge the amount of impact that occurred. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• See comment to the issue directly above--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Isidore

• Change 'quasi-stationary well-defined mid- upper-level low pressure area' to 'quasi-stationary mid- to upper-level low pressure area'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "...while located about 490 miles (790 km) west-southwest of..." → Where did you find the distance? It's not in Isidore's TCR. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Again, what should I say about the distance if it isn't in the TCR?--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Josephine

• "Tropical Depression Ten developed from the remnants of a cold front in the southwestern Gulf of Mexico on October 6." → Not necessarily. The cold front only stalled at a longitude positioned over the Gulf of Mexico; the TCR never states that the front had degenerated into remnants.
• Reference 53 is a dead link.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• "...and in Louisiana, high tides flooded roads and stranded residents on Grand Isle." → The source for this, so you should place this later, in the impact paragraph or something, since it is noted that tropical storm intensity was breached after this sentence.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

• I'd suggest adding {{subscription required}} to Reference #56. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Kyle

• You should state the page number in Reference #60. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hurricane Lili

• "...it was first hurricane to hit the country since Kate in 1985." → Not supported by the Tropical Cyclone Report.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "...mostly due to the hurricane's heavy rainfall which totaled 29.41 inches (747 mm)." → It didn't just total, it peaked. Also, where?

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
• Changed to "peaked". However, the source does not give the specific location.--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "After 269,995 people were evacuated in advance of Lili, there were no deaths in the country." → You should state the evacuations beforehand. Then state that no deaths occurred as thanks to evacuations.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "...which contributed indirectly to a death when a man in Maine tried driving..." → 'tried driving' to 'tried to drive'.

• Good thing I didn't try driving, or else more people would have died :P --12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "Damage in the Bahamas was not severe, limited to some damaged roofs and downed trees." → Missing an 'and was'. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 21:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Marco

• "A cold front interacted with several tropical waves and developed into Tropical Depression Thirteen late on November 16," → This makes it sound like the cold front became a depression.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "It re-curved eastward and continued to strengthen, briefly became a hurricane on November 20." → Became should be 'becoming'.

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

• "The storm turned northeastward toward Hispaniola, but later became nearly stationary and curve eastward, then doubled-back to the west." → 'The storm turned northeastward toward Hispanola, but later became stationary before curing eastward. Afterwards Marco doubled-back to the west. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 21:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Storm names

• Standard boiler plate, no issues here. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Season effects

• " Damage and deaths include totals while the storm was extratropical or a wave or low." → 'Damage and death include totals while a tropical cyclone was in its pre-formative or post-formative stages. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

References

• Four references have the jarring <font-color=red>|accesdate= requires |url= tags. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 22:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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