Talk:1978 Avon International Marathon

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• Kathrine Switzer, una delle prime donne partecipanti a una maratona (Boston 1967).jpg

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 11:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Earwig finds no issues; sources are reliable.

• "The course then weaved": to my ear the past tense of "weave" is "wove", but perhaps that's just British English?

That's the only thing in the prose I can find to complain about. Spotchecks (footnote numbers refer to this version:

• FN 6 cites "aiming to both create a pseudo women's marathon world championship, and highlight the growth in women's marathon running. The event was sponsored by Avon Products, and licensed by the Atlanta Track Club." Verified. My eyebrows went up at "thinly clad women"; things have changed since 1978.
• FN 8 cites "Switzer had initially hoped for a field of around 500 runners": verified.
• FN 4 cites "At the halfway stage, Brown, who was described by Sports Illustrated's Kenny Moore as "the most controlled of the leaders", took the lead and opened up a gap from the pack." Verified.

Just the one query about "weaved", and that's not worth holding up promotion for, so I'm passing this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Cheers Mike Christie. Think it must be an ENGVAR thing. Both Cambridge and Chambers dictionaries give the past tense of "weave" when used to refer to a person's movements as "weaved" Cambridge, Chambers (but "wove" when referring to fabrics, wicker baskets etc.) Thanks for the review! Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 18:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Marty Cooksey's victory at the 1978 Avon International Marathon was a surprise, with one of the race officials saying that they "don't know anything about her."? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1978/03/20/archives/miss-cooksey-foils-marathon-favorites-winning-time-24626-an-olympic.html
  • ALT1: ... that Julie Brown collapsed near the end of the 1978 Avon International Marathon, leaving Sarolta Monspart and Manuela Angenvoorth to battle for second? Source: https://vault.si.com/vault/1978/03/27/70773 Vol. 48, no. 14. pp. 24–25.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dimitrie Stelaru
  • Comment: Admittedly kind of weak, but I feel like these hooks could work.

Improved to Good Article status by Harrias (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 19:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1978 Avon International Marathon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Onegreatjoke, thanks for nominating this. i had been interested in reading more about this marathon, and had not realized that we now have an article on it.
  • general: article is long enough and was promoted to good article status recently enough.
  • policy:
    • article is sourced and neutral. earwig shows nothing of concern.
    • spot checks of at least three different sources did not reveal any close paraphrasing, but did raise other issues.
      • the source in the honolulu advertiser cited for the first two sentences of the race summary section states that there were 250 runners, which does not appear to support the article's assertion that there were 186 starters. i also could not find anything in the source supporting the start time mentioned in the article, though i did find it mentioned in another source. confusingly, the honolulu advertiser also states that runners "f[ought] the humidity", while one competitor is quoted as saying that "it felt really dry", so i cannot tell if the source supports the statement that the race "took place in ... dry conditions". (interestingly, the source also states that cooksey's previous personal record was 2:58:47, which is more than 12 minutes slower than her finish time in this race, while the article states that cooksey broke her record by over 7 minutes, so i am not sure if reliable sources simply disagree on this point.)
      • the article "avon marathon facts and figures" in the atlanta constitution states that the race was conducted by the atlanta track club, not that it was licensed by the club. i am admittedly not sure what licensing a marathon would mean in this context. does it mean that they certified that the course covered the marathon distance?
      • the article "world will watch atlanta" in the atlanta constitution gives vahlensieck's record time as 2:34:47.5, which, i believe, should be rounded up to 2:34:48, not down. the article on her also uses 2:34:48, as does the article on the race in which it was set.
  • hooks:
    • hooks are under 200 characters, interesting, cited, and neutral.
    • alt0 is accurate. according to mos:lq, the '.' should be dropped because the quotation is not a full sentence.
    • for alt1, i cannot seem to access the sports illustrated source, so am assuming good faith.
  • points outside of the dyk criteria:
    • regarding the roads mentioned in the last sentence of the course section, the cited source spells all three roads with "Dunwoody", not "Dunwood". i am admittedly not sure why the en dash is being used; the source seems to just use a hyphen, and google maps tells me that the modern names do not appear to use either.
    • i also took down some notes regarding a few grammatical and stylistic errors. if you're interested, please let me know.

courtesy pinging Harrias. dying (talk) 07:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Cheers dying. I'm really busy off-wiki at the moment, but if you want to put these (non-DYK) notes and any other thoughts you have on the article talk page, I'll have a look when I'm able. Off the top of my head, I recall there being a fair bit of contrary information, a lot of which seemed like promotional or marketing spiel, so that might cover the 250/186 issue for example. I've tried to use what seemed most reliable or most regularly used throughout, but I obviously may have made mistakes. Will look over when I can. (I'm not watching this page.) Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Pinging nominator Onegreatjoke, original editor Harrias, and reviewer dying. It's been over five weeks with no action on the nomination. May I suggest that if significant progress is not made in the next seven days or so, this should be considered for closure? A month and a half is a generous amount of time. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

  Onegreatjoke, just to clarify, i believe i am currently waiting for you to address the issues listed under "policy" above. alt0 will likely be copyedited by someone else if it ends up being promoted before you get around to addressing the mos:lq issue, and the points outside of the dyk criteria are outside of the dyk criteria, so you don't have to address them if you don't want to. dying (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

withdraw Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)