Talk:1973 Buffalo Bills season

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

After reading this, as well as having read 1986 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season, 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers season, and others, this article is not yet complete by NFL season article standards. I'm just going to quick-fail it so you have as much time as you need; there's no need to rush through them. Look through Google News to find more sources to expand with; having Pro-football-reference almost exclusively doesn't help much. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 14:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC) Will try to finish the review as quickly as possible... --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 14:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC) I saw the concern of the first review was that the article was almost entirely based on one source (football-reference), which shows only statistics. At that point, 19 out of 28 references were from that site. The reviewer said you didn't need to rush, but two days later you nominated again; now 33 out of 54 are from that site. Two days is fast, but I'll just assume you were lucky and found enough extra references in this short time.

I do this review without any knowledge of the sport other than occasionally seeing a few seconds in a movie. This should not stop me from reviewing the article, but keep in mind that some things thay may be obvious to you are not so obvious to me.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   MoS: see below. Will look at the prose later.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   All of the "Awards and records" should be sourced!

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   See below

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   There are no images, but I understand 1973 is a difficult time period: not public domain yet, and you probably did not make pictures yourself. But you may consider putting a more recent picture of OJ Simpson in, for example.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Manual of Style

• NFL Draft: Do not use # for a number sign per MOS:NUMBERSIGN.
  • # removed as not necessary.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• You give dates as "9/16/1973", which is not allowed per WP:DATESNO.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
• The source with work "G a m e s k a n k e r . c o m." should just be "gameskanker.com" per MOS:TM.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Broad in coverage

• A lot is said about Simpsons record. That they became second in their league is mentioned only in the lead, and can be read from the Standings table. Isn't the league position the most important thing in a season? If they could have had the option, don't you think they would have preferred the first place without the record over the second place with the record? I guess (but I don't know) that the league position needs more attention. Were they satisfied? Did their league position qualify them for any qualification matches? I found out it did not, but the article does not mention anything about it.

I understand that this season is most remembered for Simpson's record, and not for their second place in the league, so this is OK.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Additional points that I don't know where to put

• In the O.J. Simpson table, the numbers are now left-aligned. Choose between center-aligned or right-aligned.
  • I have center aligned commands for each column that seem to be getting ignored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
    • I think I saw what went wrong, and fixed it.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 08:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
• In the same table, below "Home/Away" you use "@". I think this is jargon, it is more clear to use "Home" and "Away".
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:16, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
• What's the deal with the Roster? Is it incomplete? What source is used?
  • I have completed the roster from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1973_roster.htm --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Added that source to the roster template.
• None of the drafts became Pro Bowlers. Then why do you have legend for that?
  • I added it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
• In the first table below "Schedule": I would personally not use the colors for winning or losing, but I guess they are fine. But the table headers are difficult to read right now, black on dark red... Why don't you just stick to the standard colors?

Why didn't you take the previous reviewers advice and find some extra sources? I did a quick search, and found some that I think could fit in easily:

• News report on how Skorupan was picked
  • Nothing encyclopedic in there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Report on how they lost against Dolphins
  • Found a little more detail from this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
• Report on Simpson reaching 1000 yards halfway the season
  • Incorporated.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Report on Simpson almost having the record
  • Good article. I have incorporated it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Reports on Simpson joining Pro Bowl team early 1974 and being named Male Athlete of the year
  • Added Male Athlete of the Year to prose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Prose

As I said before, I know nearly nothing about American Football. Still, this article was not problematic to read. The few things I still had some problems with, may need an extra explanation or wikilink, but other than that, the article is accessible to non-experts. English is not my mother tongue, so some "corrections" that I proposed below may not be needed. In that case, just tell me I'm wrong. This is also the reason that I did not change these in the article, but listed them here. It also included some things not related to prose but that I missed in my first check.

• In the infobox: the stadium was not called Ralph Wilson Stadium in 1973, shouldn't the name shown be Rich Stadium?
  • yes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• In the lead: "... for the team and the 4th season in the National ..." -> "... for the team and their 4th season in the National ..."
  • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• "... after several years using War Memorial Stadium ..." -> "... after several years using the War Memorial Stadium ..."
  • I disagree.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
    • Then you are probably right. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 08:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• "... rushing yards gained per game, which continues to be an ..." -> "... rushing yards gained per game, which as of 2010 continues to be an ..."
  • O.K. I added the {{asof}} template.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• In "Background": "Although Patrick, had been the Bill's Fullback, ..." -> "Although Patrick had been the Bill's fullback, ..." (remove comma and capital)
  • fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "... oversized converted tight end ..." Is he really oversized (fat), or is this an American Football term? I expect it to be a term, but can you try to find a wikilink that explains this for people like me that don't know the game? Not that important though.
  • removed the term.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• In "Regular season": "Simpson recorded a 2,000 season ..." Unless this is a common term, specify it more: "Simpson recorded 2,000 rushing yards during the season ..." or something similar.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "...and was voted NFL MVP" I think this is the first time the term MVP is used here, so it should be spelled out as "Most Valuable Player (MVP)".
  • abbreviation explained.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• I think you need a reference that the locally recorded hit "Turn on the Juice" was about this season.
  • I have hidden the unsourced reference.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "... would be the two years later when his 5.5 yards per carry because ..." Something is wrong with this sentence.
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
    • It's still wrong... --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
      • I must have been multitasking while editing that line.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "Although Simpson's 2003 yard total ..." -> "Although Simpson's 2003 yard total"
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
• "... his 143.1 yards per game continues to be an ..." -> "... as of 2010 his 143.1 yards per game continues to be an ..."
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• In "Week 3": "The Bills' Rich Stadium debut, was a ..." -> "The Bills' Rich Stadium debut was a ..."
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
• In "Week 5": If Simpson's 78-yard run really described as "thrilling" in the source, then it needs quotation marks. Otherwise, it should be removed as POV.
  • Quoted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• In "Week 10": "With Miami leading 10-0 Buffalo drove ..." -> "With Miami leading 10-0, Buffalo drove ..."
  • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

And that's all!

Thanks for the review. I may not get to respond to these issues until the weekend.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if it seems that I am ignoring your review. I am trying to finish up a project. My goal is to get my sandbox of articles cleaned up and into userspace by this weekend. This review is on the back burner.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, there is no deadline for this nomination. I have this page on my watchlist, so once you get to this article, I will notice. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 06:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not much time today. Will be back in a few days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Two things still remaining:

• Is there a reason for the colors of the schedule table (blue on dark red)? If not, make them standard.
  • Those are the Bills' colors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

And that's a good reason to use them in the infox, but why in the schedule table? It has nothing to do with me not liking the colors or anything, but there is an accessability problem (WP:COLOR). White on red would work, white on blue would work, but blue on dark red is hard to read, not only for colorblind users. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 08:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I have chosen a different combination of their three colors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• Give sources for the "Awards and records", or remove them.
  • Just added all the records.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Now it's really close to GA.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Everything looks good enough for GA now, passing. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 15:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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Update

I want to commend Tony the Tiger for all the work he's done on this article, it has a ton of information on it.

I went through and cleaned some of it up, mostly by putting a lot of the facts (which had been spread out a bit) into different categorizations. For example, there were a lot of references to OJ Simpson's records and accomplishments, and I put them all into one section for ease of read. Also, I did the best job I could trying to whittle down some of the wording, without losing context. I removed almost no information, but took out a few extraneous details when they weren't relative to the 1973 season itself. Thanks. Bill shannon (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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