Talk:1960 Force Publique mutinies

'Extraordinary ministerial council' of 8 July

Great work Indy beetle, a fantastic start!! Suggest you re-read the sections of FARDC that deal with early July, as I carefully paraphrased Vanderstraeten 1985's account of the events. In particular, the session of 8 July at Camp Leopold, Vanderstraeten portrays as ad hoc, an arrival of various ministers in response to the mutinies which only later was given the title of an 'extraordinary ministerial council.' I will give you first refusal as how to blend in that data with this main article, given that you have a better handle on the events of June-July, but if you wish to defer to me, I'll merge that data in. Many thanks again!! Buckshot06 (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@Buckshot06: Ah sorry I did not see this before making the change. Thomas Kanza, the Minister-Delegate to the United Nations, states in his book that it was the convening of the full council, and suggests that it was at least somewhat planned (he talks about Lumumba going to the camp to get started and how he ran into another politician who wanted to see Lumumba and Kanza suggested that he go to the camp because all the ministers would be there). I can't think of any reason why ministers would not have attended, as all were still in the capital at that point. I know Vanderstraeten gets at least some of his information on the extraordinary council from Joseph Ileo, who wasn't there. Any full access to Vanderstraeten would really help with this article. I'll consult Hoskyns on some of the finer details, as she gives a good account of the mutinies and the political implications in Belgium. -Indy beetle (talk) 21:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Cometro

Indy beetle Have you seen this? https://www.lachambre.be/kvvcr/pdf_sections/comm/lmb/312_7_page_874_to_925.pdf. I have been looking for the organisation of Cometro for some time, but this appears to show that it was not just Kitona and Kamina, at least for that specific period, but Gheysen, also listed frequently as a colonel, was possibly subordinate to a lieutenant-general, Charles Paul de Cumont, the chief of the Belgian defence staff, at least for the period of the active intervention. Three provisional divisions and several fighting brigades are listed in the appendix. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)