Talk:1953 British Columbia general election

Electoral history is public domain

Please see my comments on Talk:British Columbia general election, 1952, which is a related situation. These two are the lengthiest of the electoral-data footnotes, but the footnote material is provided for reasons of historical context and accuracy; it is not, to my knowledge, governed by or restricted under Crown Copyright.Skookum1 08:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC) The tables on both these pages were complex to build (in no small part because of the elimination ballot) and would take a LOT OF WORK to re-create. If thine eye offend thee, smite it out: rather than deleting the electoral data, if the footnotes upset you that much as "possibly copyvios" then by all means feel free to rewrite them; their contents are a matter of public record in BC and important to the electoral history of the province. NOT explaining them seems to me to be worse.

Further to previous, please note the end of footnote 1 on the Elections BC page: "See British Columbia, Chief Electoral Officer. Alternative Voting: An Explanation of the Procedure..., Victoria, 1952." In other words, a government-circulated pamphlet meant to educate the public as to how to use the elimination ballot...is such a best public domain, or copyright-protected? In any case, I've made a subpage with the un-copyvio disputed material to save the tables, and will do the same for 1953; it would have been simple enough to revise the questionable paragraph rather than install the delete-the-whole-thing template IMO.Skookum1 19:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, re the template, note that [1] here refers to the 1952 election, NOT the 1953 election. In a court of law, this would be the submission of the wrong evidence and would result in a mistrial....Skookum1 19:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Obviously the problem is not the tables, which are not copyrightable, but the footnote which was copied and pasted. I don't think it's safe to simply assume that the text is not under Crown copyright simply because there isn't a copyright symbol at the bottom of the page. I'm not an expert in copyright laws, but as far as I know everything produced by a provincial or federal government in Canada is automatically under Crown copyright unless the copyright has expired or it is explicitly stated otherwise, and I think you would need explicit confirmation that it is indeed republishable for any purpose without permission. The electoral system that was used can very easily be explained without copy/pasting the footnote directly ; obviously, if it is rewritten in other language, there would no longer be any problem. (As for your comment about wrong evidence, it is irrelevant ; text was copied from a website, which is a violation regardless of where it was copied to.) dh ▪ 2¢ ▪ 01:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said above somewhere, or on the other talkpage, I was "on the fly" when creating these pages because of the massive data inputting and table formatting involved, and was too brain-dead to try and reconfigure the language; because it was official material I thought also pehaps it was OK to quote it directly, as with a police blotter or report of a Crown Commission, which should be quoted intact...OK, with quote marks granted, and in this case I could have footnoted it into the table like the Premier-Elect etc. But hold off on the deletion until I fix the rewording. All BC election pages also need a lot of political-situation/issues and "notable races/candidates" sections fleshed out; especially these two...among many. I've just come back from a short block (undeserved and now revoked) and have a lot of catching up to do, so it may not be today that these changes get made...Skookum1 21:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Temp subpage created as per instructions

A while ago, before other things caught me up and I couldn't come back, I made a temp page with the non-infringement contents on it, as instructed by the template; it may not be necessary if this one isn't deleted, as what could be done here is either a rewrite of the disputed section, or it could be cited as a quotation from Elections BC records; note that the Elections BC footnotes themselves are often pastiches/infringements of coverage in local papers; all in the public domain by now I suppose....but originally copyrighted....anyway, a rewrite or a cited quote would solve the problem, here as well as at 1952, wouldn't it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

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