Talk:1886 Revelation

Weasel words

The first sentence reads:

The 1886 Revelation is a purported revelation received by John Taylor, the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), that restates the permanence of certain revelations received by Joseph Smith, Jr., supposedly including plural marriage.

Is there any way we can reduce the number of weasel words and qualifiers being used in this sentence? The words that could be considered "weasel words" are bolded. It's not that all such words are always bad, but the number in this sentence makes it look like an awfully weaselly sentence. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

purported: Assumed to be such; supposed, reputed or claimed; alleged. This is an accurate word to describe the revelation based on conflicting accounts of its validity. There is some proof of the existence and validity of this text, but for obvious reasons it cannot be "proven" to be a revelation.

certain Referring to a specific portion of revelations (it does not address them all) supposedly addressed by this 1886 revelation.

supposedly including is a qualifying statement because nowhere in the actual text of this 1886 revelation does it specifically mention, or even allude to plural marriage. The plural marriage aspect of interpretations comes from the fundamentalist mormon movement using assumption that possibly the "works of Abraham" could refer to his many wives and concubines, or even possibly a few other interpretations. I used this wording because the text is ambiguous at best, the only certain item addressed is "The New and Everlasting Covenant", which typically is seen by those of the LDS faith as "temple marriage" or "sealing for time and eternity", even baptism, etc. it does not ONLY include plural marriage. Twunchy (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

See http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/questions_concerning_the_1887.htm for interesting discussion on this topic. Twunchy (talk) 18:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I realised why the words were used, but as it stands now the sentence is extremely clunky, especially for a lead sentence. You would never find a lead sentence like that in a print encyclopedia. Rather, it would state what the document is believed to be by the Mormon fundamentalists. It wouldn't add so many qualifiers. That's material to be explained in body of the article itself, not the lead. My point in bringing it up here was to canvas input about how to fix it, not to discuss its meaning, because it needs fixin'. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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"Unfortunately, his was a copy written in his own hand"

The original source cited (http://web.archive.org/web/20131021173709/http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/questions_concerning_the_1887.htm) claims it was written in John Taylor's handwriting, not John W. Taylor's. This sentence is worded to imply the opposite. Also, this source is cited multiple times in this article, but it appears to be unreliable. Its author is anonymous. There is no citation to the primary source of the handwriting analysis. The website itself appears to be a collection of sourced documents with added unsourced and opinionated commentary. Can we either get reliable sources added or remove the content that references this source?

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