Talk:ʽAziziya

Hottest temperature discredited

Source cited on Finnish Meteorological Institute website: "Weather, March 2001 Vol. 56 No.3, sivu [page] 113. The Royal Meteorological Society." Please check the data if you have direct access to this source. 130.230.4.13 17:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

In a book about Criticism around climate change, Philip Eden refers some background facts on temperature measuring around 1922 and talks about facts on sing extreme measures. Philip Eden, 2006: Change in the Weather: Weather Extremes and the British Climate, P.160, Continuum International Publishing Group. ISBN 0826480292. Preview available in [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sykemyke (talk • contribs) 21:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I also highly doubt the record in Al Aziziyah. How i got to think so? Second highest temparature in Libya was in Zuara 50,2°C. Also, neighboring Sahara countries Algeria (record in In Salah 50,6°C), Tunisia (El Borma 50,1°C), Morocco (Agadir 49,1°C), Chad (Faya 47,7°C), Sudan (Abu Hamed 49,5°C) and Egypt (Kharga 50,3°C) never experienced temparatures over 50,6°C (though one might think Sahara is the hottest place on Earth, T virtually never exceeds 50°C). To conclude, the region is slightly "cooler" than Middle East and Pakistan where temparatures regularly exceed 50°C, but also never go over 52 or 53 at the max. So it is highly unlikely that one single spot in Libya would experience 58,0°C in teh middle of a region that never even saw 51°C. Keep in mind that Al Aziziyah is not a deep depresion like Death Valley or Death Sea Valley which support additional extreme heat due to low altitude and other corresponding factors. Al Aziziyah is just like any other town near the coast of Tripoli. So it just doesn't make sense. To add, the record is almost 100 years old (climate was then somewhat cooler) and I also question reliability of data: is there any other data from Al Aziziyah with temparatures like 54 or 53 or 52? Never came across of such data. So it is very likely that the true world record holder should actually be Death Valley with 56,7°C. The odd thing to me is, why is record in Al Aziziyah so widely accepted and not treated as at least slighty questionable. 77.38.44.85 (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Additional References

I'm working on adding references and information to get this article out of stub status. This book could be useful: Libya: a country study, Harold D Nelson. Washington, 1979.--Boweneer (talk) 21:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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The Al Azizya station was probably amongst the worst ever existed on earth. The alcohol termometer was placed in a terrace at 5 meters above the ground closed in a wall with a basement of tarred asphalt (Fantoli).Its difference within the nearby stations and after the instrument was replaced was about 10C. Never on earth such kind of instrument would qualify for even a amateaur reading,let alone under such extreme conditions of strong irradiation in the desert.

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77.38: The 134F at the Death valley is also extremely questionable and almost impossible to be correct. It is not as crazy as Al Azizia readings, but just have a look to Greenland Ranch data in the 10s and 20s , it is full on anomalies and bad data. The instrument was placed too close to the ground, although the screen used was professional , a good wooden Stevenson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxcrc (talk • contribs) 14:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

This is a really good discussion, thanks to everyone who's taken part.

Other records from this era are now disputed, for example Australia's high temperature record was once thought to be 127.5^ F, recorded at Cloncurry (Queensland) in 1889, but this is no longer thought to be accurate.

I remember from my schooldays in the 1970s that a number of other stations in the Sahara were also claimed to have exceeded 130^ F; for example, Kebili and Ghadames were both claimed to have reached 131^ F, and Tindouf, on the Algerian / Mauritanian border, was supposed to have reached 135^ F (even In Salah was supposed to have reached 133^ F). None of these figures are accepted now as far as I know.

So maybe the Al'Azizyah figure should be rejected as well. If memory serves, even the Guinness Book of Records's entry on the subject makes it clear that Al'Aziziyah's record isn't officially accepted by the Libyan Bureau of Communications (i.e. its government) - but maybe someone else can confirm this? Meltingpot (talk) 09:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

El Azizya no longer hold's the all-time highest temperature title

IT'S OFFICIAL: the WMO (World Meteorological Organization) this morning de-certified the record for the world's highest surface temperature, held for 90 years by El Azizia. (The now official hottest temperature ever recorded was the 56.7°C (134°F) reading taken at Furnace Creek [née Greenland Ranch] in Death Valley, California, on July 10, 1913.) http://wmo.asu.edu/, and http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=89 75.147.156.165 (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Bad data/vandalism recently added?

I'm not sure that the last portion of the "Geography and climate" section of this article (including the weather box data) is accurate, since it doesn't seem to jive with the claimed source info. Can someone that knows more about this site fix whatever needs to be fixed here? Guy1890 (talk) 02:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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