Talk:Śuri

Complete Overhaul Is Needed

Tldr, I'm a student of Etruscology and this article has multiple issues. So much so I'm considering this a class project.

One: this article does not describe context of deity identification, and assumes that the theonyms Manth, Vetis, Calu, etc are all the same as Suri may, and I do mean may, have been an Etruscan equivalent of Soranus. However, this has come into question. Scholarly opinions on Etruscan deities vary wildly (see: Catha) and no clarification is given. I propose that Soranus deserves his own article, as the cultural context for the two deities is vastly different. Also, it's bad for the general public to see that other deities who may have been identified with him as just "Epithets" with no further notice.

As an example, Soranus-Dis Pater is proposed by Servius, and this is the only literary mention of Soranus. Jumping the gun to immediately conflate all these deities without proper clarifications, along with describing scholarly conflicts, is irresponsible. Also, quoting a new age blog such as the blog article by Di Sivilio is not a proper source.

Some of the sources used are just bad. This article would be improved by updating scholarship and going into various interpretations of the theonym, along with creating a separate page for Soranus. This article does not clarify nor demonstrate the current academic understandings and identity of the theonym "Suri." Tiscus malena (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The problem with Wikipedia is that articles that don't receive sustained effort from knowledgeable editors tend to devolve into a mishmash put together by casual editors inserting information from whatever sources they find. This article seems to be in that sort of state. (I'm an ancient Egypt specialist and only started watching this article because of a disruptive editor who made a mess on articles about deities from many ancient cultures.)

If you have access to the reliable scholarship about Śuri, I encourage you to make whatever edits you deem necessary. Although Etruscan religion seems to be a neglected area, you may find assistance at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, which has a fairly active community and obvious overlap with Etruscan studies. A. Parrot (talk) 20:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Lovely! And oh yes, I've unfortunately noticed. I have several good articles about this, even though I'm only a student of this field, I think I can do it. Thank you for your kind words! Suri as a theonym is highly debated and if I can figure it out, I'd like to fully separate Suri and Soranus' pages on wikipedia.

Also, so cool to see an active specialist! Hi from Florence's etruscan department : ) I'm excited to share what I know about current etruscology and the various opinions everyone has. Tiscus malena (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)