Talk:İbn-i Arabi (fictional character)

Plot summaries

Despite my best efforts to keep the plot summaries concise per WP:Plot summary, Michelle Tomlinson keeps reverting my edits, usually with no explanation, which almost certainly constitutes WP:Edit warring. (Michelle Tomlinson - please assume WP:Good faith). I would be grateful if Limorina, Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Tahaaleem could give their views. IronManCap (talk) 18:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

This article is mostly plot, and IMO we should be restrictive about such articles. Ertuğrul Bey (fictional character) is motivated (actual statues), though there is a lot of plot there too, but I'm sceptical about others, though to be fair I haven't looked cloosely at them. There are Diriliş: Ertuğrul, List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes, List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul characters and separate articles for the seasons, we don't need more articles for plot. The reception section barely mentions the character. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't know much to say but I agree with IronManCap, they shouldn't be too long. Limorina (t • c) 19:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with IronManCap, I mean there shouldn't be a excessive detail for it might be a little bit excessive and unnecessary for the article. Thank you. Tahaaleem ^Talk 20:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tahaaleem, Limorina, and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you for your opinions. Michelle Tomlinson, I hope you understand now. IronManCap (talk) 21:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Dude, I have stated twice why I have changed them. On the page I edited and on your page too. It isn't my fault you didn't read them. Your argument is it makes the page too long when the page in question is already very small and the information I added is important to the characters of Ibn Arabi, Halime Sultan and Ertugrul. I'm going to change it back again. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 13:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Michelle Tomlinson, it doesn’t matter how ever many times you state your opinions, all of which I have read. If there is WP:Consensus for something, you do NOT just reinstate what you believe is right over again, this is clear WP:Edit warring and WP:Disruptive editing. If you do this again, you will be reported and possibly blocked. Thank you. IronManCap (talk) 14:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, what you wrote wasn’t even accurate and was pure WP:OR, Arabi never said Osman would create the Ottoman Empire or that his descendants would conquer Constantinople, even though that eventually would happen. IronManCap (talk) 15:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Urm, you're not the Ertugrul police that you get to dictate what can and can't be written. Consensus? What consensus? You were very vague and obsure when telling the others what the issue was about. How about you actually re-watch the episode. In the dream, Arabi absolutely told Halime that from Osman's line would come the one who conquers Constantinople as dictated by a hadith of the prophet.

I always write what is based on fact. Do not accuse me of otherwise. It's you lot who add your assumptions into Ertugrul articles acting like it's fact.

Report me and I'll report you too. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

There's being obscure and there's providing no information. You erased Arabi's role from the later half of Season 4. I literally just wrote what happened in those episodes but you seem to have taken it upon yourself to decide what can be included and what can't even though you have no right as I followed the rules. You're the one not following rules. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

The others said excessive details. I respectfully ask the others to take a look at Arabi's page as it's very small anyway. You should do the same. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 15:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Michelle Tomlinson, please calm down and WP:Assume good faith, the plot summary needs to be readable and the article needs to be more focused on the reception of Arabi's character. Have a look at the tags on Turgut Alp (fictional character). There is clear consensus if you read what was written. If you want, ping the others again, although please do not revert changes without explanation or consensus. I did not erase his role in the second half of s4, there is info about him naming Osman etc. There are no ‘rules’, merely guidelines, and you seem to want to reinstate your opinion on the article without seeking consensus. No one is against adding info, we do not want you to make unexplained edits without consensus. IronManCap (talk) 18:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@Michelle Tomlinson: If you want, add some of that back, as long as it’s relevant to the character and not too excessive. The thing about Osman in a dream would be more suited for Osman or Halime's articles. Maybe the 'Season 2-5 and Kuruluş: Osman' section could be split to allow for more info. IronManCap (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I am calm but it's people behaving like you that made me stop editing articles. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Since when do you need consensus to add any little bit of info? Do you seek everyone's consensus before you edit? And no, I don't think I'll bother adding the info. You'll just remove it again anyway. It was relevant. You just didn't like it for some reason. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Evidently you are not calm, and yes, if a matter is disputed there should be consensus, especially if there has already been consensus against doing something. This has nothing to do with personal opinion and more to do with WP policy. Now I try to reach a compromise and you suddenly aren’t interested, so it seems it’s either your way or the highway. IronManCap (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

How did you try to reach a compromise? All you said was 'we should reach a compromise'. Considering you're the one with the issue you should initiate said compromise. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 16:23, 3 April 2021 (UTC)