Talk:Øresund Region

Population density map

Added translation to the Population density map
--Red w 08:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

"Oresund"?

Is "Oresund" with an "O" really the official English name of this region, like the official English name of Göteborg is Gothenburg, or is it just written without diacritics, like "Jyvaskyla" for Jyväskylä? JIP | Talk 18:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it's not the official name, then there is the problem of whether it should be spelled Öresund or Øresund. Both spellings are equally valid. Perhaps "Oresund" would have to be a simple, but awkward compromise. JIP | Talk 18:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The English version of the official webpage spells it as "The Øresund Region" [1]. Väsk 19:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The name was a polical decision, but it ended with "Øresund" after a study showed that foreigners thought that looked more exotic and interesting. 129.142.143.67 (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Very well then. Time to change the name of the article. Øresund it is! -- Henriok (talk) 10:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

What I think is strangest is that the name of the article is Oresund Region and at the same time the article begins with: Properly spelled with diacritics. So according to the article, the name of the article is a misspelling, if I interpret it correctly. A compromise sometimes used is a Danish ø and a Swedish ö combined, an o with both the line and the dots. I think this is mostly for marketing reasons though and not an official spelling, but it could be mentioned anyway. Jiiimbooh (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that Oresund is an OK version that don't have to chose between the Danish Øresund and the Swedish Öresund. That local authorities agree on a common writing form in marketing texts is one thing (sometimes ending in horrible hybrids like Øresundsbron - neither Swedish Öresundsbron nor Danish Øresundsbroen), but there is no unfortunately no common way to write the name of this water on the two sides of it. Although I see the article Oresund is found at Øresund. Tomas e (talk) 09:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

If we can agree that Oresund is a correct spelling in English I see no problem with that. I just thought it was strange that the article claims that Oresund isn't correct and at the same time having the article named "Oresund Region". /Jiiimbooh (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we can change the word properly to either usually, often, sometimes, or officially: "Often spelled with diacritics". /Jiiimbooh (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Urban Area

The article referes to an OECD-report, which states that the "Copenhagen-Malmö-axis is the biggest and the most densely populated urban area in Scandinavia with approximately 2 million inhabitants". First of all: It must be said in the article HOW OECD defines an urban area. According to Statistics Sweden and Statistics Denmark, an urban area is defined as a countuously built up area, where the maximum distance between residences is 200 meters. This means that according to the Danish and Swedish national definitions this cannot be one single urban area since the strait over oresund is several kilometers wide. The OECD-definition is indeed not the same. Suppose that we use the Scandinavian definition and just fusion the Copenhagen urban area (hovedstadsområdet) and the Malmö urban area, the population would just be 1.400.000 inhabitants - not even close to the 2 million figur mentioned. This made me suspect that they mean metropolitan area (i.e. not urban area). But the metropolitan area of Malmö-Copenhagen population is more closer (a little more than) 2,4 million rather than 2 million (1,8 m + 0,6 M). I have once seen another definition called "larger urban area", which is something inn between the urban area and metropolitan area. Is this, what OECD referes to? Maybe this should be checked up. Malmö and Copenhagen are indeed urban, but is it really a SINGLE urban area? The nordisk statistikbok states that the whole area of Scania, Sealand, Lolland, Falster, Møn and Bornholm is one single urban area (pop 3,6). This only reveal the fact that the authors don't know what an urban area is. Do the OECD authors know what an urban area is? If not: Should the source be cited at all? I don't think so. Nirro (talk) 17:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this a joke? Numbers presented by a "nordisk statistikbok" "only reveal the fact that the authors don't know what an urban area is. Do the OECD authors know what an urban area is? [...] I don't think so." He, he. That's really funny. Finally we have a the world's first real authority on this issue..and a Wikipedia user no less, teaching those dummies at OECD, UN and the Nordic Council.

About the source cited: It is an OECD report written as a peer review by international experts (i.e. with expertise in urban studies and/or geography and urban economics), namely Peter Karl Kresl, Charles P. Vaughan Chair in Economics and Professor of International Relations at Bucknell University, visiting professor/researcher at McGill University, The University of Vermont, The Norwegian School of Economics and the Lund University, with a Ph.D. in economics and whose expertise includes urban competitiveness, culture polity and international economic policy, an author of many peer reviewed published articles in journals such as Urban Studies, International Organisation, The Journal of European Integration and Economía, Sociedad y Territorio, and of books with titles such as The Urban Economy and Regional Trade Liberalisation, The Urban Response to Internationalisation and The Cities Take Charge. Co-author of the source is Peter Vaessen, contract researcher at the Radboud University Nijmegen, with a doctoral degree in the field of Economic Geography. The peer review involves data put together for a regional self-evaluation report by a working group consisting of among others Gunnar Törnqvist, Professor, Department of Social and Economic Geography, Lund University, and Christian Wichmann Matthiessen, Professor, Department of Geography, University of Copenhagen. On what basis is the claim made that the authors of the OECD peer report and the professors in geography in the Oresund region can't be cited because they "don't know what an urban area is"? Lord have mercy! Sophiasghost (talk) 03:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all... I did state that the authors didn't respect the common Danish-Swedish definition of an urban area. I also asked myself if they used another definition than the one used in Scandinavia.

In Denmark and Sweden, an urban area is defined as an contimuously built up area where buildings aren't generally further apart than 200 meters. By this definition the axis Copenahgen-Malmo can never be regarded as a singel urban area since the Oresund strait is about 13 km broad between Malmo and Copenhagen. According to http://dst.dk and http://scb.se the urban area of Copenhagen (byområde) has about 1,145,000 inhabitant and Malmo (tätort) has some 275,000. Together this is 1,420,000 (I don't think they lie). We can draw the comclusion that OECD doesn't make use of the common Danish and Swedish definition of an urban area. There is a discrepancy between these figures and the official nordic figures presented by the scb and dst. Therefore, I suggest that the "nordisk statistikbok" shouldn't be used as a source (we cite a source that cite the facts we write). Instead it would be better to cite the OECD report instead. Hopefully this report explains their definition of an urban area. If this change of definition isn't explained many Scandinavian readers would be more than confused. Nirro (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

existence

Is this thing real or is it an EU creation? Regions aren't usually international. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Regions frequently are international: linguistic regions (France, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg), economic regions (EU, EEC), cultural regions (Basque Country), etc. I think the Øresund case is a combination of marketing and "real-life", if you will. There is no denying the fact that Danes live in Scania, and Scanians work in Copenhagen. The trains are coordinated in the area. There is a higher degree of mutual bilinguality in the two main cities, when compared to say Århus and Stockholm. ConorBrady^.ie (caint) 19:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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Undiscussed move to "Greater Copenhagen"

I have reverted an undiscussed move of the article made earlier this year, back to the old name "Øresund Region", since that's what the geographical region is still known as, and a geographical region is all there is, not a political region. And there will with all probability never be a political region, both because of it covering parts of two different countries and because of the total lack of interest in such a project shown by the Swedish government. Other names, including "Copenhagen Malmö Region" and "Greater Copenhagen", have been or are used for marketing purposes only by the Danish and Swedish regions and municipalities that are part of the geographical region, but that should be covered in a separate article about the marketing committee that has been formed by those regions and municipalities. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 15:55, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for putting facts before marketing. RhinoMind (talk) 15:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Øresund Region vs. Greater Copenhagen Region=

@User:FrinkMan: Please don't revert recent updates in this extremely poorly updated article without discussing them first on this talk page. What is you basis for claiming that the Øresund Region is the "real name" of this region and that Greater Copenhagen is only used for marketing purposes? This region is an official transnational collaboration and Greater Copenhagen (Region) is now the official name of it. Wihtout the official collaboration, it wouldn't satisfy the need for notability. This situation is no different from what is the case with other similar regions, cf. for instance the Hamburg Metropolitan Region . It makes no sense to insist using an abandoned name,no matter how you personally feel about the name change. Here on Wikipedia we go with official names and the ones most commonly used.Ramblersen2 (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ramblersen2: You went against the established consensus without discussing on the talk page first. See the discussion above between @Thomas.W: and @RhinoMind:.

I would say that this article concerns the geographical transnational and metropolitan region Øresund Region. Then there's the matter of the Greater Copenhagen Committee. That committee is without a doubt no longer called the Øresund Committee. So basically this article concerns the geographical transnational and metropolitan region called the Øresund Region, also known as Greater Copenhagen for marketing purposes. The most commonly used english name for the region was and still is the Øresund Region. The situation in Denmark might be different.

It's also important to avoid confusion with Greater Copenhagen (Folketing constituency) and Urban area of Copenhagen (Greater Copenhagen redirects to that article).

Also, @Danielsltt: replied to you on his talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Danielsltt&oldid=1221214292 FrinkMan (talk) 22:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)