Talk:Åland/Archive 3

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Wrong surface area information

The "area" information in the Aland Islands article summary box is wrong. One look at a map will tell you that the surface area of the Aland Islands can't be 13,517 km2 with only 88 km2 of water. On http://www.scantours.com/history_of_aland.htm, it says: "Total area: 6.784 km2 of which land area is 1.527 km2", which seems much more likely. 80.61.230.65 (talk) 14:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you. --Langus (t) 17:56, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, total area is over 13,300 km² of which about 11,750 km² is sea. So that leaves 1,580 km² as the area without sea (= land & inland waters). 85.217.22.25 (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced claims

In the course of the 20th century, increasing numbers of the islanders have perceived Finnish sovereignty as benevolent and even beneficial. The combination of disappointment about insufficient support from Sweden in the League of Nations, Swedish disrespect for Åland's demilitarized status in the 1930s, and some feelings of a shared destiny with Finland during and after World War II has changed the islanders' perception of Åland's relation to Finland from "a Swedish province in Finnish possession" to "an autonomous part of Finland".

I don't know if this is true, it very well might be, but paragraphs like these needs to be supported by citations. The first paragraph have been left without sources for seven years, and the second for about three months now. That is unacceptable. Gavleson (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Citations

This article really needs citations.--Michael (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Swedish krona?

There reads: While the official currency is the euro, the Swedish krona also circulates freely in Åland.
Where is that info from? No source, and I had not heard it before. Would be to be proven with a source, if it indeed is true. 212.50.203.198 (talk) 00:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Did a little searching, and it seems to be true. However, it is hard to tell which is a reliable/usable source here... 212.50.203.198 (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Lonely Planet (which can be considered a reliable source for something like this, as it is their core business) states that krona is widely accepted,[1] which is different than "freely circulated". I have updated the statement and added the source. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, inofficially the money from across the border (in the nordic countries) have always been accepted close to the border (including ferryports). It has been so accepted that in the government liquer shops in Helsinborg the cash registers had doubble moneytrays and a valuta button to simplify paying in danish crowns. I do not know if it is still so but it may have been removed since liquer is now cheeper in Denemark than in Sweden. I was involved in preparing the computerisation of tha shops and had the program installed a few weeks before pricehike in Sweden stopped danes taking one of the ferries over from Helsinore to shop in sweden. It was an unusually big shop for the size of the town, filled before the prize hike, now almost empty since the swedes now take the ferries over to shop in Denemark. (the bread is better to in Denmark) (temporary problem, right now the border control takes more time than the ferry trip! promised to be temporary, see EU refugee problem)Seniorsag (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I think it would be very unlikely that you can pay there in Danish crowns. Swedish crowns are, of course, much more likely. (Or it might be that you can pay 1 Danish krone for 1 Swedish one, as the Danish one is more expensive than the Swedish one.

Everywhere that I was shopping in Åland, the prices in all shops were only in Euros. But maybe the SEK is accepted if you ask the shop people; I've never tried it. (Actually, most people pay with card, and then there is no practical difference anymore.) Erik Wannee (talk) 15:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

The title of this article

The title of this article should be changed from Åland Islands to Åland. The common name for this region in English is simply Åland, not Åland Islands. Atelerixia (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support. While some of the material from back when Åland was in the international eye, like a hundred years ago, might refer to "the Åland Islands", it's clear that the preponderance of usage refers to "Åland". Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 04:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support: The political region, de facto a country inside of the Finnish republic, is called 'Åland', while the geographic region is called 'Åland isles'. I think the best proof that the word 'islands' isn't part of the official name, can be found at the (English version of the) web site of the government of Åland. Erik Wannee (talk) 08:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Haltik (talk) 10:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Contradicting citations of inhabited islands

Early in the article it claims that 60 of the islands are inhabited (“ Of Åland's thousands of islands, 60 are inhabited. “ - first paragraph) but further down in the “geography” section, it states “…of which about eighty are inhabited; ”. I am not sure which is correct as I just stumbled upon the article while exploring a different topic, but assume they should be consistent. Thanks! 213.194.183.212 (talk) 00:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. Didn’t realize I wasn’t logged in when I submitted this. Am adding a comment so I can track a response. Also title should be “of inhabited islands” Abbey (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

The question is: when can you call an island 'inhabited'? I know by experience that there are many islands and skerries in Åland that have one or several small house(s). Often, the owner(s) only visit it in weekends and/or holiday times. Or they only live there in the tourist season, and they move to Mariehamn in the winter. Many people in Åland (actually in the whole of Scandinavia) have two or even three houses. So, many islands are inhabited, but they are not permanently inhabited.

The narrow artificial channel between both Simskälas.

Another difficulty: the definition of 'island' can be discussed. Take f.i. Simskälä. It has two parts, separated by a small man-made channel: Eastern Simskäla and Western Simskälä. Are they one island, or two islands? Both (parts) are inhabited.

Some islands in Åland were separated in the recent past, but because of the post-glacial rebound, they have meanwhile merged together. F.i. the peninsula Svinö in Lumparland, from where the ferries leave to Degerby (Föglö), was an island in the past ("ö" means "island"), but now it is firmly attached to the 'mainland' of Lumparland. (If you look around here, you can still easily determine the place where the sea was, some centuries ago.)

This all makes it difficult to determine how many islands there are, and which islands can be called 'inhabited'. Erik Wannee (talk) 09:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

@Abbey: On both places, I made '60-80' of it. Erik Wannee (talk) 13:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 1 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 22:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Åland Islands → Åland – Support was given during a previous discussion, however no actual request was made. 2603:9000:7C02:64F0:AD14:5764:3B16:E17D (talk) 22:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

• Comment The other Åland-related pages were previously re-moved to Åland, so I see no reason this one should be diffeent. 2603:9000:7C02:64F0:AD14:5764:3B16:E17D (talk) 22:23, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. feminist (talk) 04:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support agreed, it's shorter and seems to be the most common English usage in their government's website. Fbergo (talk) 11:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom, concise and the common name. BD2412 T 06:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Renaming links to Åland

According to the above move, I have renamed a lot of internal links from [[Åland Islands]] to [[Åland]]. A handful of renamings (like this one) were not accepted because the quoted source used the wrong name, but most updates didn't have a problem.
Many links already used the correct name but referred to the old article name: [[Åland Isles|Åland]]; I could easily replace them by [[Åland]].

On Template:User in the Åland Islands, Template:User interest Åland Islands, Template:User citizen Åland Islands and Template:User from the Åland Islands, the name should also be changed, so that the user boxes will be updated. I'm not very familiar with that process in the English Wikipedia (NL-WP is my home site), so that's too complex for me. Is there anybody who can change 'Åland Islands' to 'Åland' everywhere on those templates as it should be done? Thank you very much, Erik Wannee (talk) 18:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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