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Crimea Status

What should we do about it? Is it still considered "ukrainian? 89.152.126.4 (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

This image is now outdated. The picture still states that Crimea is apart of Ukraine even though the region has succeeded from Ukraine. I'll work on deletion of this image.  11Block |talk 01:12, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps the best approach would be to make most of Ukraine the standard green, but make Crimea light green. And have a footnote explaining that Crimea is a disputed territory that is claimed by Ukraine as part of its sovereign territory, but which is de-facto out of its control at this point in time. Much like how the maps of Serbia, Japan, Pakistan, India, China, etc. are done with regards to their disputed territories. 114.78.4.192 (talk) 13:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea is not recognized to have seceeded by anyone except Russia. The map should keep Crimea as part of Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.18.241.4 (talk) 14:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

The issue here is not about international recognition but a claim between two nations: like China, Pakistan and India have claims over Kashmir; Argentina, Chile, and Britain have claims over the Antarctic Peninsula; and/or like Israel and Syria have claims over the Golan Heights. The Crimean Peninsula is claimed by both Ukraine and Russia as a part of their own territory, therefore, it must appear as in other similar cases of territorial dispute, coloured in the map as light green. ★ Nacho ★ ★ 18:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

A solution to all this mess would be to follow UNs official position So, Crimea still belongs to Ukraine, Kossovo still belongs to Serbia etc...(land disputed and name disputes could follow the UN pattern) Another alternative is to face reality and have Kosovo as an independent state, Crimea and Sevastopol as Russia etc

Just do NOT have double standards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.245.143 (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia has orthographic map conventions that address how to represent disputed territory, it is shown here: the conventions. Wikipedia's orthographic map conventions state that disputed territory should be displayed in a shade of light green.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Make it light green just like on Russia's map 142.244.81.150 (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree, Crimea and Sevastopol should be light green. WhyHellWhy (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Should keep it as is when no other recognized political entity other than the aggressor, Russia, recognizes Crimea as part of Russia. Crimea is internationally recognized as Ukraine. --FourthLineGoon (talk) 00:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

We should make Crimea and Sevastopol light green, as we do with every other region that is internationally recognized as part of one country but controlled by another (Nagorno-Karabakh within Azerbaijan, Transnistria within Moldova, Abkhazia and South Ossetia within Georgia, Northern Cyprus within Cyprus, SADR within Morocco).  — TORTOISEWRATH 00:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

The area is in dispute, it should be made light green - as with all other such areas on Wikipedia. Coinmanj (talk) 00:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree. This is similar to the situation in Cyprus. 212.87.13.66 (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

It's part of Russia now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.26.83.9 (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and the Western World do not necessarily take that view. The site is hosted in the United States and is edited from across the world, a world that doesn't recognize Russia's illegal annexation. There's your reason why the map still shows Ukraine's territorial integrity as of this point in time. National Geographic and others are free to change their maps or stick to the status quo as well. --FourthLineGoon (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Incredible. I was not aware that Wikipedia itself has apparently taken a stance on the status of Crimea. — Zcbeaton (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

The world also doesn't recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia (well, outside of such world powers as Nauru and Nicaragua), yet we still color those areas on Georgia's map light green. Why should it be different for Crimea? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea and Sevastopol are de facto in Russian control, they are also recognized by two UN members as a part of Russia (Russia and Belarus) therefore it must be shown in light green. WhyHellWhy (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead and color it light green then? That seems to be the consensus. If no one says otherwise (or goes ahead and changes it already) I'll revert to the light green map later in the week. Mxheil (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree that Crimea should be coloured light green as soon as possible. — Zcbeaton (talk) 08:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

While I strongly dissent, as long as Crimea stays light green on Russia's map in keeping with Wikipedia norms, light green is understandable on the Ukrainian map too. It's not something that's needed in a rush at all though because nobody recgonizes. "It's part of Russia now" is a pointless argument that isn't recognized.--FourthLineGoon (talk) 19:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

-- everyone can see it for themselves thats its russian now, they even adopted the ruble --Crossswords (talk) 21:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Why the hell is it still dark green? The consensus seems to be to color it light green (like on Georgia's map). I'm doing it now. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, I can't. Someone locked it. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 02:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Why has the page been locked? There was an edit war, it has now come to the talk page, and there is a clear majority here for showing Crimea in light green to reflect the fact that—whatever your opinion on whose authority is the legitimate government of Crimea—it is a disputed territory. It is in light green on Russia's map, so it should be in light green on Ukraine's map. The map should be updated in line with the consensus here as soon as possible. — Zcbeaton (talk) 21:22, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Exactly! It needs to be changed to light green.WhyHellWhy (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea status

I strongly support the fact it should be in light green, as it is widely recognized as disputed territory.

I completely agree! Someone seriously needs to take the actions of making Crimea light green on the map, it is incorrect leaving it in dark green. WhyHellWhy (talk) 06:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC)