Draft talk:Bang Chan

Improve Draft: Bang Chan

I have added a few more information and references. How should I improve more if there is anyone else who wants to work on this Article, please go ahead and write and include reliable references please RDWolfgang (talk) 08:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Right now my priority is working on getting Hyunjin's article up to publication standards (as well as improving the quality of Han's article), but after that, I'm happy to jump on reworking this with you.

In the meantime, since you asked for ideas on how to improve the drafted article, my initial thoughts are:

• there's lots of repetition (for example, there's at least four mentions of how many songwriting credits he has, few of them agree on the number, and none of the stated numbers is uptodate - he has 194 KOMCA credits; there's also at least two mentions of the EDM project and neither the wording nor the context, nor the details, really change significantly);

• some stats are outdated (two examples: number of KOMCA credits; Red Lights is not Stray Kids' seventh most-viewed music video);

• too many citations in the lead section, which is meant to be a summary/overview of the article so doesn't really need the citations as the lead section shouldn't mention anything that isn't substantiated/proven in later sections;

• the "artistry" section has little to do with his actual artistry as a musician and as it stands is essentially three different sentences all with the same point: that he's written a lot of songs. Things that could go in this section might include (but isn't limited to) things like themes he writes about in songs, genres he often composes in, critic/media reception of his vocals, rapping, dancing, performance, etc., artists he's influenced by and/or artists who are influenced by him/called him an inspiration;

• the "impact" section has little to nothing concering his impact as a musician (that is, in his actual career/industry). There's plenty of things that could be talked about here rather than fans buying a product they saw on a live or him winning a couple of fan votes on apps that have little to no consequence on his career or the wider music industry. 3RACHA/Stray Kids/Bang Chan have been spoken of as the pioneers of an entire genre of music - that would be more relevant and noteworthy to discuss in the "impact" section;

• it's not written in a neutral voice (e.g. in the impact section "captivated 340,000 viewers" - "captivated" is leading language, " His exceptional skills" - similar issue);

• further to this point, is there a reason why the entirety of the "personal life" section is given over to a fan/viewer-generated controversy. Does that need to be there? (It feels like it's only there so that the "he is banned from doing Chan's room" comment can be made... which again, isn't really neutral, as there will be a heavy amount of subtext/implication to any reader even remotely familiar/involved with the band/fandom at the time.) Things appropriate to the "personal life" section would be, for example, that he has a dog named Berry, or which languages he speaks, or his hobbies;

• another related point to the lack of neutral voice is that in its current state, the article doesn't read particularly smoothly/well. The style/manner of writing is inconsistent (including some sections that sound like they're arguments in a school paper [the "impact" section is the worst for this, for example "This recognition highlights his impactful presence and appeal[...]", "demonstrating his impact as a lifestyle and fashion icon, driving interest and boosting the popularity of featured items"]), several paragraphs lack focus (either they could be split into two or more paragraphs which each had narrower scope, or they could be edited down to be clearer and more concise), and there's an overfocus on insignificant details (e.g.: does it matter to keep repeating "crypto.com arena"; does it need to be mentioned that the Circle chart was formerly called Gaon, especially when that's literally the first sentence of the linked Circle chart article; is it necessary to link to the B-3 supplement, or even mention it);

• there's a lot of simple linking rather than citations (the "other ventures" section is the worst for this).

Hopefully that provides some ideas for what can be worked on to bring the article to a publishable state. LycheeQuokka (talk) 15:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I've got some time today, so I'll work on this with you now. LycheeQuokka (talk) 14:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi LycheeQuokka,

Thank you so much for offering your time to contribute to the article today. Your help is greatly appreciated!

If it's not too much trouble, could you possibly assist in finding reliable sources for Bang Chan's solo songs and his performances with 3RACHA? I think including well-sourced information on those aspects would be a valuable addition to the article. I see you have omitted "dancer", but he introduced himself in every interviews as a dancer of stray kids as well and in the initial days he also contributed in choreographies as well, i think we can also introduce him as a dancer.

Thanks again for your support, and I look forward to collaborating with you! RDWolfgang (talk) 15:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll do what I can!

Re: the dancing - taking it out of the lead section isn't meant to discredit Bang Chan or his dancing skills, simply that he has many other roles (the ones listed) that most people, especially more casual fans and general observers, would associate with him ahead of it. For example, Han receives a lot of praise for his dancing, but "dancer" isn't listed in his lead section or under his occupations, as a) it isn't his primary role within the group, b) he receives much more press/attention for other roles, c) a lay person will think of him as a songwriter and a rapper/vocalist. Bang Chan I would argue is much the same. (Contrast with, for example, Lee Know, Hyunjin, and Felix, all of whom are much more significantly focused on dance). To that end, as with Han, it would seem more appropriate to have a subsection under Artistry about dancing, and talk about Bang Chan's dancing there (including any info about contributions to early choreography), rather than list it as one of his occupations. LycheeQuokka (talk) 16:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)