Draft talk:Andrea Casarrubios

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Renaming headers to be promotional does not help your cause and makes it less likely this will be approved. We need independent, reliable sources about Casarrubios, not assertions that she had a Prominent Career. Thanks! Star Mississippi 12:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I reiterate what I said, labeling it is not enough to make Casarrubios notable. Reverting it is not vandalism. Please stop your promotion or you will be blocked. Star Mississippi 00:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I have protected the draft, which I don't like to do. But any autoconfirmed editor remains welcome to productively edit it. However if the issues are not addressed, this version will also be rejected. Star Mississippi 01:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Disclosure: I found this draft from a Reddit post complaining about this draft’s rejection.

I don’t see how it currently reads like an advertisement. Could you say a little more about your qualms? Zanahary (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zanahary. Casarrubios, or someone on their behalf has been trying to promote their work and career since User:Pcg684/sandbox. While this version is better than prior ones (thanks in part to your edits), including this, Casarrubios still doesn't meet N:MUSIC. If you as an established editor feel I'm wrong, feel free to move it to mainspace and AfD can sort it out. But this editor refused to improve the draft and simply wanted to edit war and call reversions of their promotion vandalism. I don't think they understand the role of an encyclopedia article vs promotional materials Star Mississippi 02:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha! I’m not sure about musical notability—I haven’t looked at the sources. But I would urge you to ignore the issue of the editor’s behavior on the matter of moving the article into mainspace—after all, we’re seeking to make a collection of good articles on notable subjects, not a collection of well-behaving editors.

But if you think she’s not notable, I have zero issue with rejecting. I don’t know the guidelines for this kind of thing well—I basically never edit BLPs. Zanahary (talk) 02:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I think she will be notable down the road, but my read (also independent of the editors' actions as I agree with you about the goal) is that she's not yet there. WP:NMUSIC is strict owing in part to the volume of performers and musicians. Casarrubios does not appear to have the depth of independent sourcing required, which is a challenge for classical musicians. My issue with the behavior is they want it in mainspace, without doing the work of getting it there. Someone close to the artist probably has more access to coverage of their career and that's what's needed. Not active on reddit but feel free to share that suggestion Star Mississippi 02:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks for your insight. I suspect the person threatening to report you to the Jewish police is the Reddit poster, so I’ll refrain. I hope they’re not associated with the artist! That is crazy. Zanahary (talk) 04:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe your bias and speculative accusations are nefarious in nature and you should be removed from working on this article. I will be making a formal report with the ADL and NJF about your bias toward the subject based on evidence I have. You've crossed the line and abused your authority here based on my evidence - not false accusations and innuendo towards editors who were making good edits you were reversing. 2601:589:4102:2071:8824:6699:7A87:F6CB (talk) 02:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Please be mindful of WP:NLT IP 2601. Star Mississippi 02:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)