Draft talk:Alexander J. Stark

sourcing issues

While by number, a good number of sources are present, bulk of the article is fleshed out based on San Francisco Bay Area Post Card Club's monthly newsletter. Graywalls (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I have removed all references to San Francisco Bay Area Post Card Club newsletter. Found a good source here by Jack Eisen. It is too bad the postcard newsletter article by Frank Sternad could not be used as it has additional information, which I had to remove. However, I understand your point that newsletters, in general, are considered self-published. Greg Henderson (talk) 23:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Greghenderson2006:, aware me why you felt it was even appropriate to use it in the first place after all those things you've been corrected on. Graywalls (talk) 00:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Notability Tag - Alexander J. Stark

@Graywalls: I disagree with you placing a notability tag on this draft article. Based on Template:Notability, this tag can be removed if there is enough in-depth, independent sources have been published about the subject to overcome any notability issues. Please review the list of good sources to the article and provide your thoughts? Below are reasons I think Draft:Alexander J. Stark is notable under WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV:

1. Robert Bogdan and Todd Weseloh wrote a independent biography of Stark in their book: Real Photo Postcard Guide, which describes Stark and his large collection photo postcards that cover the Western United States.
2. Stanford University maintains the Zan Stark collection, which includes an independent biography and description of his collection.
3. Jack Eisen of the San Rafael Daily Independent Journal wrote an reliable article about Stark and his postcard business.
4. The Monterey County Historical Society has a Stark biography and a Zan Stark collection 879 postcards.

References

Greg Henderson (talk) 16:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

–== Deletion of sources ==

@Graywalls: I don't understand why you have deleted sources like: "The Zan Stark collection is accessible through digital archives such as those maintained by the Stanford University's manuscripts division."

• To show significant coverage WP:GNG, I think it is important to describe the collection of Stark's work that is available online. The OAC citation includes a Zan Stark biography and listings of his work. The Stanford University's collection is where this collection has been made available for anyone to see, along with a biography.
• Based on WP:LEAD, a lead section is a summary of its most important contents. The Zan Stark collection represents a "body of work" that comprises over 3,000 photo postcards and photographic negatives that focus on Northern California from the period 1935-1955.
• Please help me understand your reasoning to remove the reference to the Stanford University online collection?

References

Greg Henderson (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Because, WP:NOTGUIDE. For the same reason I would delete something like so and so collab product between artist and brand is available at your local Best Buy" in a page about person or product regardless of sourcing. Library catalog is NOT a source. It's a directory. Didn't Netherzone explain this to you at one point? Graywalls (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Based on "WP:NOTGUIDE Wikipedia is not a dictionary," does not apply here. We are talking about a collection that is held at a University, which includes a biography of the subject and the contents of the collection. This collectioin is posted on Online Archive of California OAC and provides the contact to Contact Stanford University::Manuscripts Division. It seems within the WP:GNG guidelines to includes this as an important reference to show notability. Greg Henderson (talk) 20:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Greg is WP:NOTGETTINGIT. Netherzone (talk) 22:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Greg, WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTDICTIONARY are two quite different things, and not seeing that is a problem. You are editorialising and telling readers where they can access something. Not ok. Melcous (talk) 00:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand. I don't think we are talking about a guide or dictionary. The Stanford citation is a WP:RS that provides the actual source for the Zan Stark collection, circa 1935-1955, which is cited in the Online Archive of California (OAC) reference.

Stark is notable per WP:PHOTOGRAPHER as his work has been represented within several permanent online collections, including at Stanford University, Marin County Free Library, Sonoma County Library, and the Monterey County Historical Society.

The Zan Stark collections represent a "body of work" that comprises over 3,000 real photo postcards and photographic negatives from the studio of Alexander "Zan" Stark. The postcards and photographs focus on Northern California, circa 1935-1955, and depict scenes of nature, travel destinations including vacation & historical attractions, architecture, bridges, and various street & cityscapes.

Per WP:GNG, the article has received significant coverage in reliable sources, that addresses the topic directly and in detail. The article includes secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)