Category talk:State legislators of Indian States by term
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Fayenatic london in topic Use of abbreviation MLAs
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Use of abbreviation MLAs
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- Category:Delhi MLAs 2015– to Category:Delhi MLAs 2015–2020 – C2C: 2020 Delhi Legislative Assembly election - is there a specific criterion for this? ミラP 15:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Won't oppose as this fix is better than nothing, but it took me going from page to page in the article Sixth Legislative Assembly of Delhi to find out what "MLA" was. The category itself is a member of Category:Members of the Delhi Legislative Assembly by term so the whole tree is incorrect and should be "Category:Members of the Delhi Legislative Assembly xxxx-xxxx", or even better use the actual name, Category:Memebers of the Sixth Legislative Assembly of Delhi. --Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- But once you know, you know, and MLA is both widely understood (like "MP" is in UK) and far more concise. This is a valid speedy nomination because MLA is consistently used within Category:State_legislators_of_Indian_States_by_term; to go longhand would require a full discussion. If you want to test the waters, raise an RFC first. – Fayenatic London 08:22, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Again, not opposing (as the current title is just completely wrong), but the guidelines are the opposite of this. Wikipedia:Category names General conventions#4 says to avoid abbreviations. WP:ACRONYMTITLE gives 2 links as a test to check if that is what the abbreviation usually represents. Both sites have multiple definitions, with one site placing "Member of Legislative Assembly" at #18 on the list. And again, seeing how the direct parent category is actually named better, these are not even WP:CONSISTENT with it. Not working in this field so not going to even bother with a RfC, but this is in no way a correct title. --Gonnym (talk) 09:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- There have been extensive cfds on 'UK MPs' such as this. There are also MLAs elsewhere eg Category:Alberta MLAs by political party. Oculi (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- You quoted #4 but not the part which says, "However, abbreviations that have become the official or generally used name (such as NATO) should be used where there are no other conflicts." – Fayenatic London 10:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Replies: The CfD you quoted does not even bring into the question the abbreviation or the inconsistency with the parent category, making that example irrelevant. Also, I tend to take anything from 13 years ago with a grain of salt, as those discussions are more often then not, very outdated. Also, from my experience working in different places on this project, I noticed that Inertia is usually the dominate factor in a lot places, that is, other editors just copy/past what they see, even if it's incorrect. To Fayenatic, I thought that the end of that point
where there are no other conflicts
was pretty clear, given that I showed that the abbreviation "MLA" is placed number #18(!) on a list from a MoS provided link to check abbreviations. --Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)- It does if you read it properly: see Grutness. There were dozens of other cfds around then. It is entirely standard in these MP/MLA/MEP categories to use full names for the container categories and abbreviations for the subcat names (which go on articles). The point is that Abdul Jabbar (politician) or Kenneth Clarke will be overwhelmed with category text if the acronyms are expanded (just as valid in 2020 as it was in 2006). Oculi (talk) 10:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- There was a 2019 cfd where all these were listed, 702 in all, including MPs, MEPs, MLAs, MNAs, MPAs, AMs, MLCs, UK, HK LegCo and no-one raised a single objection to any acronym (including Gonnym). Oculi (talk) 19:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- I think you are misreading "conflict" as "any ambiguity". No other meanings of MLA fit these categories. Conflict would be a case like Category:Loona (group) albums to Loona albums, see Opposed section below.– Fayenatic London 17:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Replies: The CfD you quoted does not even bring into the question the abbreviation or the inconsistency with the parent category, making that example irrelevant. Also, I tend to take anything from 13 years ago with a grain of salt, as those discussions are more often then not, very outdated. Also, from my experience working in different places on this project, I noticed that Inertia is usually the dominate factor in a lot places, that is, other editors just copy/past what they see, even if it's incorrect. To Fayenatic, I thought that the end of that point
- You quoted #4 but not the part which says, "However, abbreviations that have become the official or generally used name (such as NATO) should be used where there are no other conflicts." – Fayenatic London 10:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- There have been extensive cfds on 'UK MPs' such as this. There are also MLAs elsewhere eg Category:Alberta MLAs by political party. Oculi (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Again, not opposing (as the current title is just completely wrong), but the guidelines are the opposite of this. Wikipedia:Category names General conventions#4 says to avoid abbreviations. WP:ACRONYMTITLE gives 2 links as a test to check if that is what the abbreviation usually represents. Both sites have multiple definitions, with one site placing "Member of Legislative Assembly" at #18 on the list. And again, seeing how the direct parent category is actually named better, these are not even WP:CONSISTENT with it. Not working in this field so not going to even bother with a RfC, but this is in no way a correct title. --Gonnym (talk) 09:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- But once you know, you know, and MLA is both widely understood (like "MP" is in UK) and far more concise. This is a valid speedy nomination because MLA is consistently used within Category:State_legislators_of_Indian_States_by_term; to go longhand would require a full discussion. If you want to test the waters, raise an RFC first. – Fayenatic London 08:22, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Won't oppose as this fix is better than nothing, but it took me going from page to page in the article Sixth Legislative Assembly of Delhi to find out what "MLA" was. The category itself is a member of Category:Members of the Delhi Legislative Assembly by term so the whole tree is incorrect and should be "Category:Members of the Delhi Legislative Assembly xxxx-xxxx", or even better use the actual name, Category:Memebers of the Sixth Legislative Assembly of Delhi. --Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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