Category talk:Self-declared messiahs

Latest comment: 12 years ago by EnochBethany in topic Weasel Words


Inclusion of Jesus

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On 1/6, an editor added the following: Do not include figures where there is a broad tradition of such belief such as Jesus. However, Jesus is in this category currently. Should we remove the language in the category about not including those with a "broad tradition" of belief, or should we remove Jesus from the category? janejellyroll 01:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

My personal opinion is "broad tradition of belief" is rather subjective and it would be more in keeping with NPOV to just remove the restrictions on the category added on 1/6. janejellyroll 01:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. I'm doing that now. JoshuaZ 20:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Others?

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What about Menachem Mendel Schneerson? What about David Koresh? Did these guys self-declare? If they did not, they sure came awfully close.--Filll 19:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

What about Wallace Fard?Ericl (talk) 22:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Overlapping categories

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High-five to the editors of List of messiah claimants. It's a good model for how the various self-claimed deity categories ought to be organized. I'm hoping someone less busy than me will undertake the task of organzing the overlap. --TheEditrix2 15:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Weasel Words

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"Self-declared messiahs are people who have declared themselves as a figure of divine salvation." The word "of" is a weasel word enabling an author to avoid defining messiah. A figure of could refer to a person who claimed he was saved by God. "Divine" is also a weasel word here. What does it mean? Anointed by God or God Himself? Probably what should be said is something like, "A Savior figure who claims to be either God, a god, or a person merely anointed by God." (EnochBethany (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC))Reply