Category talk:Redirects from sort names
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Narky Blert in topic Split this category?
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Split this category? edit
This is a very large category, and I would like to propose splitting it (and the subcategory for ambiguous redirects) in one of two ways. Either it could be split by letter by the name of the redirect (so that "Smith, Dudley" would go into a Category:Redirects from sort names, S), or by letter by name of the target page (so that "Smith, Dudley" would go into a Category:Redirects from sort names, D). Either way, a bot could do the sorting. Alternately, we could use both schemes, and have both a Category:Redirects from sort names, S and a Category:Redirects from sort names, target D. Cheers! bd2412 T 10:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yikes! Having had a quick look at a couple of entries, IMO this sort of category should be deprecated. Heavily. And cleaned out, emptied, and closed. What kind of use are things like Category:Agatha Christie character redirects to lists and Category:Cheers episode redirects to lists to anyone? Narky Blert (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Narky Blert:, perhaps my proposal was not clearly worded, as it has nothing to do with any of those categories. I am solely concerned here with Category:Redirects from sort names (which is a basic maintenance category, and can not be emptied or closed). That category and its subcategory for ambiguous sort names, are the ones I would like to subdivide. bd2412 T 21:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @BD2412: With that more limited purpose in mind: I would suggest subdividing (a) alphabetically, and (b) by the sortkey on the top-level article. Taking my two examples: Agatha Christie would be sorted as "Cristie, Agatha" and Cheers as "Cheers". Taking your example: Dudley Smith would be sorted as "Smith, Dudley". People are accustomed to look for prime words like programme titles and surnames; much less so for given names. Narky Blert (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @BD2412: Coming by chance across this discussion again has reminded me of what I see as a problem. {{R from sort name}} is {{printworthy}}, and it doesn't accept an 'unprintworthy' parameter. Adding {{unprintworthy}} classifies the redirect both ways. This means that in the hypothetical printed Wikipedia index, appear both Einstein, Albert and Albert Einstein (DEFAULTSORTed as 'Einstein, Albert'). The same is true for those few {{hndis}} pages which have a sortname redirect (which was how I noticed this issue). IMO {{R from sort name}} should be unprintworthy by default, because it is almost axiomatic that that the redirect and the target will have the identical sortkey. Narky Blert (talk) 11:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BD2412: With that more limited purpose in mind: I would suggest subdividing (a) alphabetically, and (b) by the sortkey on the top-level article. Taking my two examples: Agatha Christie would be sorted as "Cristie, Agatha" and Cheers as "Cheers". Taking your example: Dudley Smith would be sorted as "Smith, Dudley". People are accustomed to look for prime words like programme titles and surnames; much less so for given names. Narky Blert (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Narky Blert:, perhaps my proposal was not clearly worded, as it has nothing to do with any of those categories. I am solely concerned here with Category:Redirects from sort names (which is a basic maintenance category, and can not be emptied or closed). That category and its subcategory for ambiguous sort names, are the ones I would like to subdivide. bd2412 T 21:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)