Category talk:Eastern Romance people

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Marcocapelle in topic Opposed speedy move request

Opposed speedy move request

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Per C2A, the Eastern Romance peoples are not a single ethnic group, it is a term used to group the four Romance ethnic groups of Eastern Europe (Romanians among them). Therefore, the correct term would be "peoples" rather than "people" as we talk about a bunch of ethnicities. Note that although there have already been disputes in Wikipedia regarding whether the Romance peoples exist or not, the Eastern Romance peoples are undoubtedly related to each other, so it is not a made up or inaccurate name. Super Ψ Dro 17:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oppose speedy. These categories are a mixture of too many different things, so that a full discussion and even deletion are in order. It uses what is primarily a linguistic family as an ethnic designation, but includes the entire Category:Romanian people and Category:Moldovan people regardless of ethnicity. It also uses challengeable 19th-century classifications of peoples in a complete anachronistic way (Telli Hasan Pasha?) or for people which can hardly be considered as primarily Eastern Romance (Agnieszka Osiecka?). Usually people categories will be separate from topic categories per WP:COPSEP, but this is a complete mess. Note that the main article is Eastern Romance languages, so we may have a target named after that per WP:C2D, such as Category:Eastern Romance languages or Category:Eastern Romance languages-speaking peoples. Place Clichy (talk) 11:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
The only pages that were excessive were a few, which I have already removed. As already stated, the peoples (peoples as in "ethnicities", not biographies) under that category are related, and Wikipedia needs such a category to serve as a "bridge" between these peoples. I can't think of a better name than this, so I don't see any problem. Of course the category includes Category:Romanian people and Category:Moldovan people, which else could it be? A category named "ethnic Romanians" or something like that would be completely useless and inefficient. Romania's non-Romanian minorities already have their own categories (Category:Hungarian minority in Romania, Category:Romani in Romania, etc.). This practice is completely normal in Wikipedia, you can see it in Category:Germanic ethnic groups or Category:Romance peoples. A separate category for biographies is completely impractical, as anyone could be covered under Category:Romanian people or similar. Super Ψ Dro 14:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Categories of people by modern country should probably not be in any ethnic category tree, as most modern countries are multiethnic or multicultural to some extent and consider their nationals independently of any ethnic definition. Romania in particular is one of the most multiethnic countries of Europe, and Category:Romanian people is for nationals of Romania, which includes Hungarian, Saxon, Romani, Jewish, Hutsul, Armenian and other ethnic identities. I agree indeed that an ethnic Romanian category would not bring anything. Germanic ethnic categories should certainly not be used as an example for anything, except for a deplorable drift by a very small number of users to try and apply anachronistic ethnic concepts everywhere with a very concerning agenda. Any way, I think a full discussion at CFD would help to define any possible scope for the categories nominated above. Place Clichy (talk) 13:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Reply