Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)

This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

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June 14, 2024

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  • MKS CracoviaCracovia (football) – (Discuss) – On 13 June 2024, Cracovia announced they've reverted back to their historic name 'KS Cracovia SA', or in full, 'Klub Sportowy Cracovia Spółka Akcyjna'. [1] The 'M' in 'MKS' stood for Miejski (Municipal), which is no longer the case after the city of Kraków have sold all their shares in the club. [2][3]. The current name for this page, 'MKS Cracovia', is therefore outdated and only refers to the owner group of the club, MKS Cracovia SSA. (no announcements on whether it will be changed anytime soon). To avoid issues in case they were to ever rename or change their legal entity again, rather than change their name back to 'KS Cracovia (football), I'd like to suggest dropping the 'MKS/KS' from their name altogether. It is not currently clear whether the name change also affects their ice hockey which is run by the same group, but they have started using the new updated logo, which was released along with the name change announcement. [4] The football department is Cracovia's most recognizable in Polish sports, therefore perhaps the page could also be moved to just 'Cracovia', in line with pages such as FC Barcelona and FC Bayern Munich, who also run other notable departments, whose pages contain the sports name in brackets to differentiate them from the 'main' section. KibolLP (talk) 10:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Justine (de Sade novel)Justine (Sade novel) – (Discuss) – In the French naming custom, the prefix "de" is not considered part of last name and is not capitalized. It is not used when the first name or the title is not used, i.e., it is correct to say "Guy de Maupassant" or "Monsieur de Maupassant," but it is incorrect to say "De Maupassant" by itself. This is not a controversial take, it's linguistic fact found in all articles regarding the topic of French naming conventions. Now, the second question to be settled is whether or not "Sade" is the common English usage as well, like Maupassant is. There are cases like De Gaulle where the incorrect rendering is so prevalent in the English-speaking world that it'd be incorrect to redirect a page to refer to him as "Gaulle." However, it can be argued that this is not the case with Sade. While "De Sade" is also common and may even be found in some (generally older) credible sources (the most important of which is Britannica), almost all prominent works regarding him today refer to the correct last name, Sade. This is also a non-controversial take in my opinion, as it is evident in the writer's own article and the works it mentions or lists as sources (such as the famous "Must we burn Sade?" by Simone de Beauvoir or "Sade, Fourier, Loyola" by the famous Roland Barthes. Even further research (outside the body of Wikipedia itself) would show that most prominent, modern, credible works in English refer to him by the universally correct variant and that it's not obscure by any means. Painfully, it seems that this article was originally titled correctly and it was moved to the current title in 2016, whose "support" which I'm reading now in the talk page includes some very questionable statements (such as "...it is quite rare in sources in that form and is mostly only found in obsolete ones...") and even some blatantly incorrect and clearly refutable ones (such as "...the name used as a human name is de Sade"). Without any intention of speaking ad hominem, it seems highly likely that the people in charge of the 2016 move were neither familiar with French nor with works referring to Sade. P. T. Tabayi (talk) 07:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 13, 2024

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June 11, 2024

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Deadstar (talk) 08:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • 2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protestsBluebird Movement – (Discuss) – According to reliable sources: [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] Txkk (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Royals (Lorde song)Royals (song) – (Discuss) – clear WP:PRIMARYPDAB, other gets 2 views/day vs hundreds Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chang Hsueh-liangZhang Xueliang – (Discuss) – TL;DR: According to WP:NCZH, pinyin should be preferred unless a "customary transliteration or anglicization is more common". "Chang Hsueh-liang" is significantly less common in modern, reliable sources, so Zhang Xueliang should be used. None of the reasons in given 2020 to move this page to WG outweigh the importance of using the WP:COMMONNAME. Also, it doesn't seem like the 2020 move discussion was properly closed by an admin. * "He never used Zhang Xueliang during his life": It is quite common to call historical figures by a name they never used. Averroes is known by a name he received from Medieval Christians. Shakespeare never signed his own name with the spelling that we use today. And historians rarely stick to the unsystematized spellings of Chinese names used in the 1800s, even though they were the only romanized names their subjects knew. There are many valid reasons that historians would choose to do this (I'm sure you can think of plenty). It's not Wikipedia's job to second-guess this decision, just to reflect the consensus. *"Sun Yat-sen uses a non-Pinyin spelling": Yes, because the majority of historians continue to spell it that way. If English-speaking historians started calling him Sun Zhongshan, then so would Wikipedia. *"He was a citizen of the ROC/never a citizen of the PRC": There's no hard rule that Wikipedia can't use pinyin to romanize ROC names, or that pinyin can only be used for PRC names. We only treat WG as the default romanization of ROC names in the absence of evidence for a different WP:COMMONNAME. For example, many Taiwanese celebrities are better known in English by an English first name and WG last name, and are referred to as such on Wikipedia. Because there is strong evidence that Zhang Xueliang is the WP:COMMONNAME, his national... affiliation(?) is irrelevant. *"Most of his English-language obituaries used his WG name" This would be strong evidence that Chang Hsueh-liang is the WP:COMMONNAME, expect for the fact that Zhang died in 2001, when many newspapers still used WG for all Chinese names. Take the Guardian obit as an example: it's talking about "Chou Enlai" and "the Sian Incident"! Since 2001, almost all major Enlgish-language publications have come around to preferring pinyin for Chinese historical figures, and this is reflected in the articles mentioning Zhang that have appeared since, such as: [44], [45], [46]. Let's review the evidence that Zhang Xueliang is the WP:COMMONNAME: * Google ngrams shows that Zhang has been more common for over two decades, and the gap is widening * There are a number of recent books that deal heavily with Zhang; almost all use pinyin for his name: ** Zhang Xueliang: The General Who Never Fought (2012) ** The Making of China’s War with Japan: Zhou Enlai and Zhang Xueliang (2016) ** War and Geopolitics in Interwar Manchuria: Zhang Zuolin and the Fengtian Clique During the Northern Expedition (2017) ** The only exception I know of is The 1929 Sino-Soviet War: The War Nobody Knew (2021), but that work shuns pinyin entirely. In my opinion, this makes a clear case to move this page to Zhang Xueliang. SilverStar54 (talk) 23:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clapeyron's theorem (elasticity)Clapeyron's theorem – (Discuss) – If this is the WP:PRITOP for "Clapeyron's theorem", then it should be at that title. If it isn't, then Clapeyron's theorem should be converted from a redirect into a disambiguation page. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
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  • Genocide of Indigenous peoplesGenocide of indigenous peoples – (Discuss) – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [48][49], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to autochthonous Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the autochthonous peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in mostly US usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC); revised 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Israel–Hamas warGaza War (2023–present) – (Discuss) – The previous discussion has concluded that WP:COMMONNAME does not stand as other names are also in common use. In such case, WP:COMMONNAME states that When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly. I believe the proposed title is better in consistency; previous wars involving Gaza, Gaza War (2008–2009) and 2014 Gaza War, use Gaza War in the title, so this article should also follow suit. NasssaNser 03:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tel al-Sultan massacreRafah tent camp attack – (Discuss) – News sources have called it "attack", "massacre", "strike" and "airstrike". It is not yet clear which is the most WP:COMMONNAME. "Massacre" carries value judgement, and "airstrike" obscures the fact that many of the casualties weren't killed directly by the airstrike, but were burned alive in the resulting fire. "Strike" is very similar to "attack", but "attack" is consistent with other similar events like World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack. I also think "Rafah tent camp" is more recognizable than "Tel al-Sultan" and most sources seem to use "Rafah tent camp" or "Rafah displacement camp".VR (Please ping on reply) 18:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza → ? – (Discuss) – I'm unsure what the new title should be, but I'm sure that this one has an issue. The Israeli attack on Gaza has gone past 2023 into 2024. So, we can't keep the "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" part. Perhaps we could change it to "Allegations of genocide perpetrated by Israel in the Israel–Hamas war", "Allegations of genocide in Gaza in the Israel–Hamas war", or something different. Note that "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" just redirects to Israel–Hamas war. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arab citizens of IsraelPalestinian and Arab citizens of Israel – (Discuss) – Per the smart suggestion from Keizers in the discussion above, this middle ground should address the concerns of both sides. Many editors have put a lot of time into this debate over many years, so we would ask you not to vote until you have reviewed the following discussions: * Talk:Arab citizens of Israel/Archive 8#Requested move 27 October 2021 * Talk:Palestinian citizens of Israel#Requested move 26 November 2021 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian citizens of Israel (6 March 2024, proposed by Keizers) * Talk:Arab citizens of Israel#Requested move 21 March 2024 Onceinawhile (talk) 14:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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