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Requested move at Talk:Giacomo Benvenuti (composer)#Requested move 6 September 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Giacomo Benvenuti (composer)#Requested move 6 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 02:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Kim Woo-jin#Requested move 13 September 2024
edit There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kim Woo-jin#Requested move 13 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 07:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Tabulating and ranking lists of composers
editI am going through the composer list pages and putting them all into tables (copying the basic template initiated on the Medieval list) and adding a 'rating' column to draw attention to the most important composers.
Needless to say. this is highly subjective. Doubtless the finer points of who should or should not be highlighted in this way will cause much discussion amongst those with greater knowledge than I, but it has at least started a process much requested on various talk pages.
As a simple way to organise the sorting I used the number of recordings available for that composer on [Presto Music]. Star ratings were then assigned on the simple divisions:
less than 100 recordings- between 100 and 1,000 recordings
- over 1,000 recordings
My reasoning is as follows: The number of recordings is a good indication of how significantly the composer is favoured by the musical community as a whole. If musicians go to the effort to record and release that piece then they must consider it worthwhile. Collectively they are thus passing judgement. This is therefore along the lines of an opinion poll of the global musical community, which is about as close as we can get to an objective answer to the question 'which composers are best?'. It also has the advantage of being verifiable and easily available.
It is worthwhile to have these ratings because it draws attention to those composers for readers of the list. Not every reader is an experienced musician or will know much about classical music so they may have no idea who the important composers in that era are. These lists have become very long and are overwhelming. Without the rating column they are really only of interest to those who care about articles on very minor composers. With the rating column they become of use to the general reader.
In each case I have started a topic in the Talk page. Agrestis (talk) 05:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is not how discussions work. For a major systemic change like this you really should have community approval. Simply making editors aware of the change is not enough—and splitting the conversation into 5 different threads is not helpful.
- This is a massive insertion of WP:Original research. Number of recordings does not indicate relevance/popularity/importance even a little bit. Recordings are an invention of the last a hundred years; important medieval musicians will never have as many recordings as Mozart/Beethoven etc, because those styles are simply not as popular as they were. Other composers who were hugely popular in their time may have lessened in popularity now, Jommelli and Franck for instance. This is simply not encyclopedic, you are essentially ranking composers!! – Aza24 (talk) 21:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, there is a built in way to communicate who the important composers are... it's called WP:reliable sources... A lead can be written for each article (I already wrote one for List of medieval composers), pulling from the list's sources to communicate such information... – Aza24 (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with Aza24 here: if you'd like to create such tables for your own personal interest have at it, but this isn't something to replace mainspace lists. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)