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Auxiliary warships

Following the 6 week plus deletion discussion about the notability of the French ship Gapeau (B284), I've opened a discussion at MILHIST re the notability of naval trawlers and similar vessels. Please feel free to contribute. Mjroots (talk) 09:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Borys Aleksandrov

Shouldn't Borys Aleksandrov (research vessel) be RV Borys Aleksandrov ? -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 11:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Both are acceptable disambiguation practices. Personally I prefer brackets over prefixes. Tupsumato (talk) 14:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

My preference too. Because the ship name is a more natural search term than RV. - Davidships (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Way's Packet Directory

Does anyone have access to a copy of this? I'm interested to see if there's anything about the Ed Howard (also known as Howard or Edward Howard) beyond what is included already in the article for the warship it became, CSS General Polk. Hog Farm _Talk 00:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The search doesn't reveal any info. Mjroots (talk) 08:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Civilian ships dabbing

Our guidance for dabbing civil and military ships is different. For civilian ships it says The date of launching should be used if there are several ships with the same name. For military ships it is further qualified with In instances where a ship was captured or otherwise acquired by a navy and the article is placed at that title, use the date of capture or entry to the navy, rather than the date of launch, so the name and prefix are in agreement with the date disambiguation. I feel that the civilian ship guidance should have a similar qualification when the ship is acquired and renamed. The existing guideline causes the resultant dates to be confusing as on MS Oscar Wilde where we have a ship launched in 1986 which served as Wilde between 2007 and 2019, another launched in 2007 which served as Wilde between 2023 and 2024 and now one launched in 2010 which serves as Wilde from 2024. Currently under the guidance they would be dabbed as 1986, 2007 and 2010 respectively whereas it would be better if they were dabbed 2007, 2023 and 2024 which gives an accurate idea of when they first served under that name. It also strikes me as strange that we should treat military ships and civil ships differently Lyndaship (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

The year of launch is the best dab, because that is fixed. Ships sometimes get renamed to a name they have carried before. If a ship was launched in 1976, renamed Foo in 1979, renamed Bar in 1982 and renamed Foo in 1987, which dab would you apply? This is why we use the year of launch. Where there are more than one ship of the same name launched in the same year, we can add the builder as a further disambiguator. Mjroots (talk) 06:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Mjroots' logic. Weshmakui (talk) 05:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Marine Engineering News

The Marine Engineering News was first published in April 1879. Covers mostly UK shipping, with some foreign. Useful for improving articles about ships of that era. I've added the first four volumes to WP:SHIPS/R#Country specific sources. More will be added later. Mjroots (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

It appears to be the same as The Marine Engineer and Naval Architect, of which there is several volumes in the Internet Archive.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)