Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga

Proposed split of List of Pokémon anime characters

Inactive talk page over at List of Pokémon anime characters, so I'm putting it here as well. (Please respond at the source page, linked directly below)

Akiba Souken end of service

WP Anime and Manga contributors, for your awareness, Akiba Souken, an anime news website operated by Kakaku.com with 22 years' worth of news articles and interviews with anime creators, will cease operations on 30 September 2024 at 15:00 JST. The website will no longer be available after that time, so I recommend an effort to archive links that use this website for references. I'm uncertain at this time if there's any effort to archive the website as a whole on a different platform. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

That's a shame, but thanks for the heads up. That way there will be time to find material that could be useful later on. Xexerss (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

There are 177 references to this site.

I wonder if there's any automatic way to run Wayback Machine / update links to the archive. I'm not familiar with Internet Archive Bot or similar projects, but might be useful. DarkeruTomoe (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I just tried using the Internet Archive for it, but when I try opening an archived link it just redirects to the home page. For any references to it I'd probably suggest using Archive.today instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Or you can use your browser's view-source feature (I tested it on this link on Chrome and it worked). Things will be take more time to read, but it's better than nothing. ミラP@Miraclepine 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Regarding lead section for lists

So, I have a question for project members: how long should lists for certain articles like List of Slayers light novels, List of Dragon Ball chapters, List of One Piece chapters or List of High School DxD light novels be? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for LGBT themes in speculative fiction

LGBT themes in speculative fiction has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Toshio Suzuki (producer)#Requested move 13 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Toshio Suzuki (producer)#Requested move 13 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Rename discussion on Talk:Yaoi#Requested move 18 August 2024

There is a discussion on Talk:Yaoi#Requested move 18 August 2024 on renaming the article. Your input is appreciated. lullabying (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Kino's gender. Again.

Last year we had a wide discussion about the sexuality of characters and, as I recall, we came to the conclusion that only either the text itself or the author can be a sufficient source for determining the sexuality of characters in non-obvious cases. Does this also extend to characters' gender identities? The thing is, as I noted a few months ago, Kino included a number of lists of transsexual and non-binary characters on the basis that there was a fairly clear consensus among Western anime reviewers and bloggers about her genderqueerness. At the same time, as far as I remember, neither the author nor the text itself ever stated or implied that the character in any way identified herself as other than a woman (in particular, the author describes the original concept of the character as "a girl living like a boy"). In particular, an article about the show itself describes her as an androgynous girl. I don’t really like this kind of confusion, so I propose to discuss this somehow and develop one general approach to Kino and in the future in potential similar cases in the future. Solaire the knight (talk) 16:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Might be helpful to link the previous discussion for reference if you know where to find it, but I would generally agree that only either the text itself or the author can be a sufficient source for determining the sexuality of characters in non-obvious cases.

This isn't ideal as usually we would be using secondary sources. Unfortunately, my opinion at least is that many anime reviewers and bloggers who'd otherwise be considered reliable, wouldn't be for this sensitive topic, if just from seeing a number of definitive statements with no backing on these topics. There's also often a lot of implied elements when it comes to characters sexuality or identity in certain anime, but it's often for comedic purposes and never defined.

In addition, for most series, we just don't have many reliable sources. If someone from ANN suggests a character is trans for example, that might be one of the only two detailed articles in English from listed reliable sources about a series. And with that comes a lot of potential for misinformation and a lack of other articles to correct it. For example, the Anime Feminist episode 1 review of Onimai (a series which has had a ton of headcanon by fans about Mahiro being trans) says Mahiro doesn't use gendered pronouns (then goes on to say he uses "boku" which is masculine but sometimes used by girls) but he actually uses the much more strictly male gendered pronoun "ore" in the episode.

Another reason it's not ideal is that many authors like to leave it up to the reader's interpretation so we may never get an actual definitive statement.

If we're not looking at strictly determining it, I think it might in certain cases (such as analysis sections) be suitable to reference how various bloggers/reviewers interpret it this way or ways that it is implied. DarkeruTomoe (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

In such cases, I always remember Princess Principal, which was described on many resources as a significant queer show with “explicit” coding, but the authors subsequently stated that they had no intentions of writing romance and generally invite people to read things as they want. So I'm not opposed to describing how the media sees the show, but with the caveat that these are secondary sources that do not always know or understand the author's intentions behind this or that element of the show. For example, how about starting by creating a topic section in the article about the show itself? Something like "Kino's Gender Identity discussion"? Solaire the knight (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Anime licensee categories

There is a proposed deletion discussion about Category:Discotek Media at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_17#Category:Discotek_Media. I'm mentioning it here for two reasons, firstly because it's been a month with little discussion, and secondly because it's been acknowledged that the outcome will have a huge effect on every other anime licensee category, such as Category:Funimation, Category:Crunchyroll, etc. Xfansd (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)