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I want to improve the LGBT_speculative_fiction category lists

Hi, I just added suggestions for a couple of useful new subcategories to Category_talk:LGBT_speculative_fiction - I just wanted to make sure somebody sees this.

(I'm currently researching queer representation in geeky genres for an annotated recommendations list over on IMDb, so I have a list and I'm perfectly happy to put in the time to add the category tags to the individual media pages. But I don't know how to create subcategories - and in any case, that shouldn't be done by an outsider, I think.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:9E8:1ED0:3500:4886:EC7D:A008:E793 (talk)

Mermaids (charity)

Hi all. I've added some comments in the talk section of Mermaids (charity) regarding suggested improvements. There's one paragraph in particular that I would like to have a second pair of eyes on, and the page relies on some fairly biased opinion pieces for its sources. Thanks in advance for any help. HenrikHolen (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

This whole article is a bit of a mess organization-wise. I've updated this paragraph to rely less on opinion-pieces as evidence and present more neutrally. However I think a larger rewrite may be helpful. Sock-the-guy (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Bud Light boycott#Requested move 13 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Bud Light boycott#Requested move 13 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

LGBTQ+ history page request

Hi, I'm getting in touch to see if there are any LGBTQ+ Wikipedia contributors who can help create a Wikipedia page for someone I know. They're a non-binary and trans person living with dementia in their late 60s. They co-founded the Pink Angels Anti-Violence Project in Chicago (one of the first LGBT community policing organizations in the U.S), have written and starred in plays, and now publish pioneering research about trans and non-binary people with dementia. They would love to get a page set up so they can leave a digital queer legacy, and they have sources and photos too. I'd love to put interested parties in touch! 81.108.181.56 (talk) 14:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The key is having reliable information from independent sources. If such sources exist, then it will be ok to write an article based on those sources. Otherwise, it cannot be done: Wikipedia not a platform for memorials, no matter how worthy the person may be. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 15:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I will second what TechBear said about an article for your friend. I have started Draft:Pink Angels Anti-Violence Project, which I think could pass notability requirements, particularly if we can add a few more sources. I invite any interested editors to contribute, particularly if they have access to the full text of the NYT source used in the draft, as I do not. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@ForsythiaJo, try this archive link. Wracking ^talk! 22:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! I somehow forgot that the Wayback Machine was an option, lol. ForsythiaJo (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

If you move forward with this project, please also make sure to clearly state your conflict of interest (see WP:COIE for an easier overview) on any relevant talk pages or AFC submissions. Wracking ^talk! 22:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi all, thanks so much for your responses and interest! I'm not a wiki editor myself, so I wouldn't be editing the article, which would avoid conflict of interest. What is the best way for me to pass on information, sources and independent references that this person has gathered? They would have information relevant for the Pink Angels Anti-Violence Project page too, including online sources for a documentary the project was featured in. 62.133.12.120 (talk) 11:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

You can start a topic on the Draft talk:Pink Angels Anti-Violence Project talk page and list the sources in there.

Then editors interested in helping will be able to look at them and use them for inclusion in the article as appropriate if they are reliable sources. Raladic (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have access to print sources, you might be able to contact someone interested in this subject directly through something like email. Due to Wikimedia's copyright stance, we cannot transcribe print sources onto Wikipedia talkpages directly/completely. You might also be interested in uploading scans of print sources to the Internet Archive, so everyone can access them. Stuff like old fliers would be great too, though Wikipedia is often most interested in sources independent from the subject, like newspaper articles. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Womyn and Womxn

Notifying the WikiProject that there is a merge discussion here for the pages Womxn and Womyn. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

New list article idea

Libraries and the LGBT community has been tagged for its excessive external links section since late 2021. The relevant section contains a subsection that is an "Incomplete list of LGBTQ archives/libraries/special collections". Would creating a List of LGBT archives (that are notable) be a good idea, or should the content just be cut entirely from Wikipedia? QuietCicada chirp 15:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

That would definitely be a good idea! I had thought of doing that myself, but never got around to it. Historyday01 (talk) 17:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion of transgender flags

A difference of opinion has arisen regarding Transgender flag. Until recently, the article has equally described six, though not all, of the transgender flags which have been introduced.

On May 5, a new editor to the article objected to this inclusive approach, stating that the Transgender Pride flag (the Helms flag) is the only legitimate transgender flag. That editor believes any other flag is subsidiary to the Helms flag and altered the article considerably to promote that viewpoint.

Interested editors can join the discussion at Transgender flag Status of Helms flag to help reach a consensus. Humpster (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Gay best friend

There has been a discussion at Talk:G.B.F. (film) § Redlink about linking to gay best friend. I find it an appropriate red link based on multiple hits in Google Books and Scholar, though I'm not sure what such an article could look like. Does anyone have the familiarity with sources or the field to draft a stub about it? Or suggest a redirect somewhere, or even contest the need for having the link? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

(This is based on a brief google search) It does seem like “gay best friend” has been discussed by different outlets as a media trope or stereotype, so a potential article could approach it from that angle, describing the trope, notable appearances in the media, criticism of the trope, etc. ForsythiaJo (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The article could either be about the term gay best friend or the general phenomena of relationships between women and gay men, with the former being much more focused but the latter also having a litany of sources.

Possible sources for gay best friend:

• Effeminacy and Expertise, Excess and Equality: Gay Best Friends as Consumers and Commodities in Contemporary Television
• The unruly woman as straight man: The function of female film characters in gay best friendship (TWL)

Wracking ^talk! 22:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in LGBT slang I think. It also gives fag hag vibes. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Rewrite of Transvestic fetishism

• Transvestic fetishism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

A recent rewrite by an unregistered user introduced, in my view, a number of WP:SYNTH issues regarding the scope of "fetishism" and serious WP:FRINGE issues by uncritically citing Ray Blanchard. I don't have the on-wiki bandwidth right now to fully sort this out, so could someone else please take a look, check if my revert was sound, and, if so, see if there's anything salvageable from what I did revert? Thanks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 03:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

This "rewrite" appears to have been an attempt to create a WP:POVFORK of crossdressing. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Good revert, massive WP:OR and WP:SYNTH issues and a transparent WP:POVFORK. The edits were to add 100s of citations to WP:QUACKS like Zucker, Lawrence, and Blanchard, and, to complete WP:FRINGE group bingo, even included Genspects podcast interviewing Lawrence.[1] Nothing from there seems particularly salvageable. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

• Here is the version - special:permalink/1226019074

I am reading this and it seems okay to me for what it is.

My own view is that this fetish only manifests in cultures where people are unaware of what LGBT+ means. This information is for cultures where people can observe same-sex erotic behavior and have no concept of "gay", and where if anyone described the concept of transgender to them then it would be a new idea for which they lack words to describe. People like this quit existing in the United States and Internet-connected world some decades ago.

The part about the article which does not work is that it fails to make clear that this culture does not exist in the developed world at present, and only appears in the non-Internet connected Global Majority. Many of the sources cited here are either decades old or modern publications on past times. I agree with Tamzin that the citations need to be critical to put this information in context, but most of this seems fine to me for describing a common global phenomenon among straight guys who have no idea what "gay" means.

Aside - university libraries change out their books on gender and sexuality about every 5-8 years, which is much more than turnover in other fields. Many go obsolete and get offensive to the next generation quickly. This is been true every generation since the 80s. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 30#Category:Autistic LGBT people

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 30 § Category:Autistic LGBT people. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 26#Category:Lesbians with disabilities

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 26 § Category:Lesbians with disabilities. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

RFC at RSN: The Telegraph on trans issues

Hello! There is an RFC at the reliable sources noticeboard regarding a subject relevant to this Wikiproject. Loki (talk) 02:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride/2024

Project members are invited to participate in this year's Wiki Loves Pride campaign:

• Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2024

The goal is simple: to create or improve LGBT-related content on Wikipedia and sibling projects.

Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Furry fandom?

I don't know if this is the right place for this comment but can someone please clarify how the furry fandom wikipedia article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT+ studies? I understand that a larger percentage of the group identify as LGBT+ compared to the general population yet I am pretty sure people are furries regardless of gender or orientation. The disproportionate representation may simply be due to fewer inhibitions expressing sexual orientation/gender predispositions among members and is indicative that the general population has a higher percentage of LGBT+ members than is currently disclosed. Heterosexual members of the furry fandom are not part of the LGBT+ community. This is a cultural subgroup and not a LGBT+ or gender/sexual orientation subgroup. Drocj (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The standard I usually apply when reviewing additions to or removals from the project's scope (which show up on Wikipedia:LGBT/Quality) is whether the article has a substantial amount of text that is about LGBTQ+ topics. Ordinarily, I would look for a paragraph or more that is relevant (other than for people, as all LGBTQ+ people are in scope by definition). In this case, the relevant content appears to be a single sentence, so I wouldn't oppose removing it from the project's scope.--Trystan (talk) 18:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The only relevant line currently in the article is a statistic (10% genderqueer?) in a long list of similar statistics (ethnicity, religion, etc). I do think the article should probably have more text dedicated to its intersectional communities: the relation between furries and LGBT is long and interesting. Regardless, the other basis to add an article to a WikiProject is simply based on the general interest of the editors. This is not a public-facing thing: if many LGBT-focused editors are interested in how a semi-related community is written about, then that's fine. It also seems fair to me to remove the tag if there's no relevant text in the article, tho. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay sorry for reverting my pervious comments they were honestly a bit lazy.

I do want to to throw this out there, the current version of article on the furry fandom is pretty dated and needs a lot of updating.

I should also mention there are a lot of wikipedia articles and sources on the topic that do show a connection between the furry fandom and the LGBT community.CycoMa1 (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly. I mean Helluva Boss, which has a heck ton of LGBTQ+ characters, got a Ursa Major Award (which relates to "furry media, such as video, written works, and comics.") three years in a row, and there are certainly MORE awards than just "Best Anthropomorphic Comic Strip" which we have listed on here, as they have a "Best Dramatic Series" award (there's no page for it yet, but... presently the "Best Dramatic Series" have been awarded to the Helluva Boss episodes "Murder Family", "Loo Loo Land", and "The Circus", along with Beastars, BNA: Brand New Animal, Centaurworld, Aggretsuko, Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts, and Odd Taxi. I don't think Beastars, BNA, Odd Taxi, or Aggretsuko had LGBTQ+ characters, but since Helluva Boss and Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts did, and I think Centaurworld did (since it got some GLAAD award nominations), perhaps that can be added in to the Furry fandom page as well. I added in some sentences to the "Websites and online communities" section, with this edit, which incorporates what I said in this paragraph.

I did a search and only found the following mentions on the page (prior to my edit), showing it NEEDS to be updated:

In 2021 and 2022, media coverage in Canada and the United States focused on false rumors about litter boxes in schools being provided for furries, which was part of a cultural backlash amplified by conservative and far-right politicians against transgender accommodations in schools...While only 2% of furries identified themselves as transgender, 10% of furries identified themselves as genderqueer/non-binary."

Perhaps some of the articles on Google Scholar, JSTOR, or elsewhere could help expand the page's connection to this project. Historyday01 (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

"S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters" at AfD

S.A.L.E.M.: The Secret Archive of Legends, Enchantments, and Monsters has been nominated for deletion, with the discussion here. This page, about a proposed animated series of this name, was previously listed for Wiki Loves Pride in 2021 and 2022. This discussion may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Historyday01 (talk) 00:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Fictosexuality#Requested move 13 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Fictosexuality#Requested move 13 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)