Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Constitution

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Would it be possible to get one of these? I tried to figure it out but it is too complex for me. Winner 42 Talk to me! 02:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Winner 42 - That would be great to have! I am new to creating a WikiProject, so I am not sure how to, but maybe our Administrator member BD2412 could help us. CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Nope, technical stuff. Blech. I'm useless for that. bd2412 T 02:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

BD2412... Hmm... Know anyone techy I could ask? CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Importance scale for Delegates of the United States Constitutional Convention

What should the Delegates of the United States Constitutional Convention be ranked? Top, High, Mid or Low on the project's importance scale. I rated George Washington as Top, because he was voted as the head of the convention. CookieMonster755 (talk) 01:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

• It depends on the individual delegate. It should vary according to their individual achievements. GregJackP Boomer! 03:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Aye, okay. I will try my best to asses the delegates importance rank based on their involvement in the convention. Delegates with little involvement and only signed the Constitution should be rated mid importance on the project, what do you think of that GregJackP? CookieMonster755 (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

• I would even be OK with going "Low" on those you described. Obviously those like George Washington and James Madison should be "Top" but that would leave two intermediate levels for others that participated to varying degrees. I can see Gouverneur Morris as "High" due to his religious freedom actions, his view opposing slavery, and his part in drafting the Constitution. John Rutledge would be a "Mid," as he was better known as a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Governor of South Carolina than as a member of the Convention. GregJackP Boomer! 05:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for your thoughts on the ratings GregJackP. I will take your advise and rate the articles accordingly. Cheers. CookieMonster755 (talk) 05:26, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Encyclopedic style throughout

Two of my edits at Constitution of the United States of America have been reverted. They both removed a bullet list appropriate to a List Article in WP, replacing them with a summary in an encyclopedic style appropriate to mainspace articles. Rather than edit war, I would like your assistance educating collaboratively, but there seems to be a failure to communicate.

The previously featured link to Wikisource for access to the entire original document is restored with my third edit {{Wikisource}}. There should be no need to mirror the entire document in WP, that is the function of the sister project Wikisource. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but I agree with the reversion of your edits. One of them eliminated a bulleted list of the Enumerated Powers Clause, which is something that should be in the article. GregJackP Boomer! 10:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the substance, the objection has to do with style. The Enumerated Powers Clause DOES belong in the article; it is value added to the narrative, as is the Recommendation Clause for Article II. Particular names of clauses used in jurisprudence are useful to the general reader for further study, because that is how the literature is organized.

The point is that bulleted lists do not belong in narrative articles, they belong in lists. The bullets are just bad style -- they are unencyclopedic. Merely mirroring an original document is not the purpose of Wikipedia, it it the purpose of Wikisource. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 14:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I also think your edits were great for the project TheVirginiaHistorian. If you have not already, please add yourself to the participants list. Thank you! CookieMonster755 (talk) 00:20, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. The Manual of Style puts it this way: MOS:LISTBULLET Do not use lists if a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs. I'll go back and re-edit the bulleted passages including the omitted material of previous drafts. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the removal of the lists per TVH and MOS:LISTBULLET, but I feel that the paragraphs TVH replaced them could use expansion once they are reinstated as to not lose the information given in the lists. For example the article two section should mention the president is given the power to be the commander in chief and grant pardons. Winner 42 Talk to me! 16:57, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Collegial expansion of the paragraph narrative would be the way to go -- wherever I am guilty of an oversight. Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, are we to discuss a section extensively here instead of in the article's talk page? Seems to be happening, at least. Anyway, expansion, no. The detail articles should cover additional details. For example the bullet point:

• To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Should be shortened to:

• Taxation;

Yes, tax details are important. That's why they should be in the correct article. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. See the plain paragraphs proposed at Talk. Here my point was MOS:LISTBULLET Do not use lists if a passage is read easily as plain paragraphs. --- for any article in the project. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm back!

Hi everybody, is me, Cookie Monster! I wanted to let you know after months of being "off the grid" I am back on Wikipedia! I hope we can talk soon. CookieMonster755 ^(talk) 04:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

After being blocked, I am back. So glad to be back at work. CookieMonster755 ^(talk) 23:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

US Congressional term end dates

Dear all,

there is a disagreement whether congressional terms end on the 3th or 4th of March. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#US Congressional term end dates. Input is appreciated.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 07:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

RE:Timeline of drafting and ratification of the United States Constitution

Last year I revamped the Timeline of drafting and ratification of the United States Constitution article and have been refining it since. Several weeks ago I nominated the timeline as a featured list candidate. I would be grateful for any comments and suggestions on how to further enhance the article. Thanks. Drdpw (talk) 21:13, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject United States - 50,000 Challenge

You are invited to participate in the 50,000 Challenge, aiming for 50,000 article improvements and creations for articles relating to the United States. This effort began on November 1, 2016 and to reach our goal, we will need editors like you to participate, expand, and create. See more here!

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Invite to help edit a batch of Fourth Amendment related pages

Hello all, very nice WikiProject you have here! I'm working on the following Fourth Amendment pages:

• Terry stop ("Stop and frisk", "Pretextual stop", "DUI roadblock", etc)
• Consent search
• Traffic stop
• Terry v. Ohio
• Whren v. United States
• Reasonable suspicion
• Exclusionary rule
• Warrantless searches in the United States

As you all well know, Terry v. Ohio (1968) is probably the most important Fourth Amendment decision by the Supreme Court. Fourth Amendment law is pretty challenging and I'd like to get these pages so that the average citizen can read and understand them. It's also a very timely issue...for examples:

• the ACLU just got a settlement with the city of Milwaukee over stop-and-frisk practices
• New York City's Right to Know Act requires it's police to inform people of their rights before performing a consensual search

I am putting up lists of case law, citations, etc in the Talk pages (right now, just "Terry stop", "Consent search", "Traffic stop" and "Warrantless searches") and hope to continue working on them over the next few weeks. They are all in various states of neglect and lots of work needs to be done. It would be great if we can get a few pages up to WP:GOOD quality.

Thanks! Seahawk01 (talk) 02:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

New article on the Engagements Clause of the Constitution

I have created a stubby new article on the Engagements Clause of the Constitution of the United States. Naturally it needs further work. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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Better sources needed for recent changes

Please see the request from Penlite (talk · contribs) and Freoh (talk · contribs) for reliable sources to back recent additions about the Constitution at [1]. – Fayenatic London 08:05, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Constitution of the United States has an RFC

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