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US 500 article / merge proposal

There is disorganization and a little bit of confusion/redundancy with respect to the article for the U.S. 500. It's spread over three articles. A while back, a bunch of content from the Michigan 500 article was removed and dumped into the U.S. 500 article. Specifically, the "fall race" results from 1973-1986 at Michigan was added to the US 500, but those events have zero connection. I guess the specious connection being that it represented the 'second race' at Michigan besides the Michigan 500. Even that makes little sense as the summer Michigan 500 didn't start until 1981...there were two races for many years before there was a 500. And the 1996 US 500 was a one time only race (due to the Split). That "fall race" information really has no business being part of the US 500 article.

There's also more to it. There's a separate article 1996 U.S. 500. That is intended to detail the race on 5/26/96. It's ok, but I think it deserves more attention/expansion. There's lot missing that could be added to bring it up to standards. Qualifying results, expanded prose, etc. As for the name, the U.S. 500 in it's original form only happened once...5/26/96. After that, the race event was dropped from the schedule, but CART decided to keep the fancy "US 500" moniker and reused it for the July 500 miler in 1997-1998-1999. It was never used after that.

I think some work needs to be done. I suggest the "fall race" information should be moved back to and reintegrated into Michigan 500. That article would serve as a cover-all article for all Indy car races at Michigan (as it more or less used to be), given that fact that they no longer race there, haven't been there in 16 years, and there's no future race on the horizon. I might even support renaming the article something to the effect of IndyCar Series at the Michigan International Speedway...something that has been done, for example, with IndyCar Series at the Milwaukee Mile.

Then, I also suggest U.S. 500 and 1996 U.S. 500 be merged into one single article. Two articles for one event just does not make sense, it's redundant, and at the same time, some information appears in one but not the other. I think using the latter article title is better 1996 U.S. 500. A small mention can be made that the name was re-used three more times, but make it clear there was only one running of the US 500. Doctorindy↔Talk 22:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I support a merge of U.S. 500 into 1996 U.S. 500.

I feel a bit differently on combining the remaining content into one article. I feel the Michigan 500 deserves its own stand-alone article. The 500-milers were always more prestigious than the other races.

RegalZ8790 (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Merging all MIS Indycar content to two articles, one about the 1996 US 500 and one about all other races, US 500 would be mentioned and linked in the all other races article. -Drdisque (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: With no objections, work is progressing. 1996 U.S. 500 has been thoroughly expanded. U.S. 500 will re-direct to 1996 U.S. 500, with a hatnote linking it to Michigan 500. All MIS races will be merged into the Michigan 500 article, with clearly defined sections. Doctorindy↔Talk 18:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: After further consideration, it made more sense to make U.S. 500 a disambiguation page, With hatnotes on both 1996 U.S. 500 and Michigan 500. Doctorindy↔Talk 19:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Good idea. The expanded article on the 1996 race is looking great. RegalZ8790 (talk) 04:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Goodyear tire box

There are several Tire manufacturer box templates (see CATEGORY), for use in race box scores, etc. For Indy 500 and Indy car race box scores (example 1995 Indianapolis 500), largely it's Firestone and Goodyear that are used. Here are those two:

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Firestone seems fine, as the colors match the company's red & white color scheme. But is there a reason why Goodyear is depicted as white on gold? I could not find discussion from when it was made. Whether it was created for a reason, or made in error. For years, Goodyear has utilized a yellow on blue logo. For a time there was a white/blue variation, as well as a black/silver variation. But the white/gold seems out of place. I can't find a company logo of white/gold as depicted. I suggest creating a yellow/blue variation, at least for use in U.S.-based Indy 500 and IndyCar articles. Noting that changing the original would probably be a bad idea because it would sweep through countless articles (F1, etc.)

Suggestion here:

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A yellow/blue box would match also the existing "tire participation charts" used on many Indy 500 race articles

Tire participation chart
Supplier	No. of starters
Goodyear	25 *
Firestone	8
* – Denotes race winner

Doctorindy↔Talk 19:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yellow on white is one of the scheme coulours of their logos and the one used in Good Year article on WP. The label "Good Year" and "Eagle" was as I can remember always either yellow or white against the black tire, never blue. Maybe this is why. Rpo.castro (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel the yellow on blue is an improvement. RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the template's history, User:SpeedKing (who last edited in 2022) originally created the template as black text on a gold background. Twelve minutes later, User:Fred Bradstadt (who last edited in 2021) changed it to white text with the edit summary of "A bit smaller, and white text: Looks now more like {{Michelin}} and {{Bridgestone}}". My guess is that User:SpeedKing just picked an arbitrary colour. I would have no objection to it being changed to yellow on blue (providing it satisfies MOS:CONTRAST). I think you could change the original template; I suspect most people wouldn't even notice the change. And/or you could advertise this discussion at WP:MOTORSPORT. DH85868993 (talk) 02:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Looking and researching the other tire template boxes, it appears that every single one utilizes a color combination that reflects the company's logo (the official company logo, not necessarily the color painted on the black tires). Goodyear is the lone exception. I think it should be yellow-on-blue to fall in line with the theme of the other templates. Doctorindy↔Talk 13:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

With no apparent objections, change has been made to the original template. Doctorindy↔Talk 18:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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