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Thomas Niven

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Being the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1906 appears to be his only claim to notability. Independent reliable sources are wholly lacking. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I've added multiple newspaper sources. Beyond being Moderator, he authored a volume of historical writing and was given an honorary degree "in recognition of his eminence as a preacher and of his leterary work". I think he meets WP:GNG. Drchriswilliams (talk) 09:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Daughtry

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Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from his daughter or his protege. Reliable sources appear to only have passing mentions of him. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment @Muboshgu: A search in the NY Times archive: [1] shows he has gotten press for decades as an important community activist in New York City. Thriley (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NY Times archive to me appears to be passing mentions. I lack a subscription though so I can't see some of them. I don't know what to make of this for notability. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy link for those with WP:Library ProQuest access. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a different Herbert Daughtry. The Herbert Daughtry of this afd was 47 in 1978: [2] Thriley (talk) 21:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nosral Recordings

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NCORP fail Potential merge target Rottweiler Records too appears to be NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. At worst, a merge to Rottweiler, which ought to be kept too, so ultimately this is a moot conversation, but it looks like this sublabel has enough of a roster and press coverage to pass muster on its own. I'm agnostic as to whether these label articles continue on as one or two separate articles, so long as the content is preserved. Chubbles (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which three sources do you believe would satisfy NCORP for this article @Chubbles: ? Graywalls (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rottweiler Records

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NCORP fail Graywalls (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Fairly clearly meets the sense of an important label as given in the WP:MUSIC guideline, and the article has citations indicating the label gets regular coverage in music press. Chubbles (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All Saints Episcopal Church (San Leandro, California)

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I'm gonna say that this may not pass WP:GNG, and should be returned to a redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California or deleted. It also fails WP:CORP. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 23:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California: or delete. This fails WP:NCHURCH or WP:NCORP. It, in fact, is inappropriate branch article based on WP:BRANCH. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreed. Many prominent churches have Wikipedia pages like All Saints Episcopal Church (Pasadena, California) for example. This article is prominent because of the history referenced in several cited published works, and its latest rector who has had national and international impact in his ministry. Elijah1979 (talk) 23:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are specific claims, comments, or content that need to be updated with sources please indicate such and the article can be improved. Elijah1979 (talk) 23:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as suggested above. A search for sources turns up only one instance of WP:SIGCOV, and it's in Episcopal News Service, which while reliable for facts is not independent and thus does not contribute to WP:GNG. Sources in the article are neither reliable nor independent. As for the comment above about All Saints Pasadena, that's a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (and All Saints Pasadena definitely meets GNG -- not all churches are the same). Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A section on this congregation's prominence and notability as a pioneer in the area of ecotheology has been added. This deletion post needs to be closed and removed. Elijah1979 (talk) 17:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you've added are not independent (EpiscopalChurch.org, Episcopal News Service) or are primary (like the EBMUD) map. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Episcopal Diocese of California: As nom. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, doesn't meet WP:NCHURCH. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section was added on the notability of this congregation in its unique and pioneering commitment to ecotheology. This deletion thread should be closed and removed. Elijah1979 (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Keep Prominence of congregation has been added. Elijah1979 (talk) 17:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijah1979 Please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this conversation by posting the same reply to multiple comments. You have articulated no rationale for a "speedy keep" (and frankly no policy-based rationale for "keep"), so this thread will be closed (or relisted at an administrator's discretion) after a minimum of seven days from nomination. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be deleted as it covers an existing and noteworthy subject which meets criterion for qualifying for an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgeplot (talk • contribs) 05:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section was added on the notability of this congregation in its unique and pioneering commitment to ecotheology. This deletion thread should be closed and removed. Elijah1979 (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - fails my standards for historic churches; its current rector is notable, but I require two or more notable congregants to make it notable. A redirect is a good compromise. For what it’s worth, I am an Episcopalian and had my conversion experience in that diocese. Bearian (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helaman Jeffs

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No indication of standalone notability. Hardly any coverage of the subject; notability is not inherited. (NPP action) C F A 💬 20:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Multiple references (already found on the article) are stating that he is claiming to be the current head of the FLDS church, I will hunt down some more sources. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 12:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really matter. There needs be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in order to meet WP:NBASIC. C F A 💬 14:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St. Vincent's Home for the Aged

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Fails NORG. The article contains WP:OR and appears promotional. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 04:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Given that there are some sources with definite SIGCOV in English plus a handful like this that provide partial coverage, I'm inclined towards keep. I'm not familiar with the local languages, but I'd hazard to guess that further RS SIGCOV exists. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Pbritti, SIGCOV doesn't exist in the local language, unfortunately. Courtesy ping @Wikibear47: to ask if they found coverage in local languages? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Not really. Its a pretty obscure place with not much coverage. Wikibear47 (talk) 06:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Can't find independent reliable coverage Wikibear47 (talk) 06:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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L'Opus Dei: enquête sur le "monstre"

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The only usable source here is La Libre, which is not sigcov and is not enough. Found 1 other journal source that looks good (though I question its independence). Redirect to author Patrice de Plunkett? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There seem to be a number of reviews and coverage in French, until we can say otherwise I think we can assume that there is enough coverage outside the english language. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back No reliable, significant ones to my awareness. None found in a search of French media sources either. Every French source used here is a blog, or passing mention. Or has no independence from the Opus Dei, which obviously has a COI here. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context, the sources used inline are linking to the ones in the further reading. These sources are four interviews with blogs, all affiliated with Da Vinci Code conspiracies or the Opus Dei, and the brief La Libre mention. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There doesn't seem to be any coverage in French... I tried the title with "critique" or "revue critique"... you can get a thousand places to buy it, see where it's held in libraries... This was all I could find that even mentions it [3]... The subject of Ops Dei is mentioned here, but not specifically about the book [4]. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b For future reference the word usually used for (well, some, typically academic reviews) book reviews in French is compte rendu. There is one review I found while searching that phrase but I think it's from an Opus Dei affiliated publication so questionable independence. Even if its not, it's only one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the correction... I'm not using my French as much as I should, it gets jumbled with the English in my head. Oaktree b (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended reading here [5], but there isn't much coverage of the book. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thoughts on a redirect? PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we could redirect to the author, his name comes up enough in searches. Oaktree b (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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