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Template:QC Barangays edit

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 18:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This template was only used in Quezon City. It was way too big, so I split its content off into an article of its own: Barangays of Quezon City. The template is now unused, and I suggest it be deleted. Coffee 17:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Specialised user block templates edit

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The result of the debate was to keep. RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 18:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC) This category contains templates which are custom versions of {{Sockpuppet}} or {{suspsock}}.As with {{OoTV}} below, these are just vanity templates for vandals which encourages them to create throwaway accounts with their names in it. Delete and replace with standard tags. Roadsoap 13:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Useful. FearÉIREANN \^(caint) 01:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Kayfabe disclaimer edit

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 18:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Used as a note to "inform" users that some events described in biographies of professional wrestlers take place in professional wrestling continuity or "kayfabe". It's not very useful and possibly unencyclopedic - people who are aware of pro wrestling already know this. These biographies should be written so as to clearly distinguish fact and fiction for those who are not aware of the fictional nature of professional wrestling. The tag is often placed on top of the article, which looks very messy as well. Biographies that use this tag can easily use {{Fiction}} instead and be cleaned up. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Simply because some people may not be able to distinguish professional wrestling from what happened in real-life and the template, to a degree, helps a reader understand that somethings that happened may be of kayfabe nature. Most pro-wrestling biographies try to distinguish fact from fiction, but many don't have the clarity as they should. And this template is pro-wrestling specific, so it doesn't put such a large backlog on Template:Fiction. — The Future
Delete, i've never thought the tag was very helpful. If an article is written well, then a reader should be able to tell the difference between what is real and what isn't. TJ Spyke 02:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess to a pro-wrestling fan, articles may be well written, but to me just reading a couple of the ones which contain those templates aren't the most clear articles I ever read. — The Future 02:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, what i'm saying is that if an article is well written then it won't need this tag. If it's not clear what is real and what isn't then there is the Fiction template. Earlier this week somebody went through and added the kayfabe tag to dozens of wrestling articles. TJ Spyke 02:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I agree with over-additions of the template everywhere, but I think this template was created so that the wrestling editors of this site could help articles that were tagged with this better find which one's needed the most attention (concering kayfabe/real-life events). Maybe a reconstruction of the template would be better.. The only problem I see with using {{fiction}} is that your going to have to scan through every article tagged with Template:Fiction that would mingle in with the non-wrestling ones, making it harder to find the one's you want to edit. If you want to look through them and do it the less easier-way, by all means do it, but I think the 'What links here' page for {{Kayfabe disclaimer}} is more helpful than {{fiction}}. But that's just my two cents... — The Future 02:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nonsensical, redundant, can't even understand what's the point of it 85.138.0.112 08:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - is very pointless. Lil crazy thing 15:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear, 85.138.0.112 and Lil crazy thing, I don't even like wrestling and I can see the point. Please read up on professional wrestling and kayfabe, and then give your Keep or Delete based on actual arguments. Shinobu 23:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i dont need to read up on anything i know what professional wrestling is and what kayfabe is i'm not stupid so dont talk to me like i am. I'm a wrestling fan i do know what it is. Also i dont have to give an arguement nowhere does it say i have to either, i stated my reason which is asked for i dont have to do anything else.Lil crazy thing 08:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete but replace all current instances with {{tone}} or something. These articles need to be rewritten from an encyclopedic POV to make it very clear that the events they talk about are staged and not real competitive sporting events. --Cyde Weys 22:19, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, wrestling is real anyway. 71.250.2.246 18:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, For anyone wanting to learn about the history of professional wrestling, this is a cornerstone of the mid 90's wrestling era. 90% of wiki wrestling articles are kayfabe, and if you don't know what that means, look it up. There is no reason that the reader should believe that these events aren't staged. All of the information is valid and explained in an appropriate manner, and I see no reason for deletion.

Delete, most articles have a clear cut line bewteen Kayfabe and reality and this template is just clutter. Also, if you know anything about wrestling, you'll know it's scripted and this template won't be needed. I doubt anyone really believes the Undertaker can come back from the dead and make magic, or that anyone who was fired 3 times can keep coming back *cough* Foley! *cough*. The punchline is that Kayfabe is well separated from reality and this template is useless. Cheers, Dubbya9 03:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Most people in Asia have their doubts wheter wrestling is really fake. Therefore such templates are needed as a guide. Often such well define statements are needed in literature about wrestling to convince the reader about what is real and what is not. - Unitedroad 04:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone still has doubts about reality in Pro Wrestling, provide prominent links to the Kayfabe article, (see? I did it right there!), so people can learn the concepts of Pro Wrestling better. You can lecture the marks on wrestling slang pages.

Keep -- I think that many professional wrestling articles do a poor job of distinguishing between the 'real' and the 'fake'. This template is needed until many more are clear about the matter - rernst 13:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to {{fiction}} as I have earlier tried to modify the template as a variant of. --LBMixPro ^<Sp ^e ^ak|^o ^n|it!> 22:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; Sure, it -should- be obvious what is and isn't kayfabe, but I'd rather not take the chance. --Billfred 23:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a sub-categorisation of {{fiction}} this appears to be a useful template. Thryduulf 23:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A number of newbie/anon editors appear to need a constant reminder that the majority of events taking place on professional wrestling shows are scripted and fictional. - Chadbryant 01:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - "Simply because some people may not be able to distinguish professional wrestling from what happened in real-life." Yea, I know a few people who might have trouble with that. I mean, if you're not careful, you might find yourself wearing a mask and riding a tricycle in front of a crowd of bored fans in a gymnasium in Utah somewhere, and all because you couldn't keep a grip on reality. So by having this article in, you're, you know, helping prevent the stupidity of the future from occuring, amusing though it can be. Why, I once heard of a guy who claimed he walked in on a woman being raped in his workplace and spinkicked the assailant. C'mon, you really think that sort of story could ever be conjured up without someone watching too much professional wrestling and ending up with a flimsy but amusing grip on reality? Of course, on occassion the mental health of a person like that could be called into question, but since we're not talking about that here I'll let that one slide. --Krusty Surfer Dude 02:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. You don't expect everyone to know wrestling is fake, don't you? --Howard the Duck 09:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are a lot of people in this world that think wrestling is fake. Anything that can help to dissuade that notion is useful. WVhybrid 03:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:OoTVSuspected edit

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The result of the debate was who cares, it's been redirected RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 18:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We can just use {{suspsock}} in place of this template. -- FrostytheSnowman ^('sup?) 10:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Redundant; {{suspsock}} handles this just as well. --ais523 12:05, 26 August 2006 (U T C)

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Template:OoTV edit

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The result of the debate was who cares, it's already been redirected. RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 18:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I created this template for tagging suspected sockpuppets of Outoftuneviolin. Well, I found that the template was only glorifying OoTV and his sockpuppets and was serving no real useful purpose. Here I nominate it for deletion... -- FrostytheSnowman ^('sup?) 02:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:DENY. -- FrostytheSnowman ^('sup?) 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- There's no need to revote if you're the nominator. Also, when adding information to a vote ('comment' if you want to be pedantic), it's usual not to remove the previous information (the above vote used to say 'delete as nominator'). You can give extra information in a comment like this one. --ais523 12:30, 26 August 2006 (U T C)
delete. the regular sockpuppet template is fine. pschemp | talk 03:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why would we need a special template for a particular sockfarmer? Delete ++Lar: t/c 05:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A customized template for one vandal really isn't necessary. --Cswrye 06:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, do not feed the vandals. Roadsoap 13:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I am Outoftuneviolin and I LOOOVE thistemplate!!! OFVWT 20:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete since the user this targets wants/loves the template that proves it is simply used for vanity. No real need for it. --Edgelord 05:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This template has been merged to Template:Pageblankvandal. -- FrostytheSnowman ^('sup?) 23:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Writing systems templates edit

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The result of the debate was no consensus. RyanG e rbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 19:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All level N and 5 templates for these systems are redundant to the template without a designation pschemp | talk 03:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- NOTE: this is a false claim by User:pschemp. For the example it is true but the deduction is false. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Example:

{{user Jpan-5}} makes

書-5

This user fully understands the Japanese writing system.

{{user Jpan-N}} makes

書-N

This user understands the Japanese writing system as if he were a native speaker.

{{user Jpan}} makes

書	This user fully understands the Japanese writing system.

Delete All of these say nearly the same thing and are redundant. We should delete the 5 and N templates and leave the Jpan one. There is no need for three templates that are nearly identical. Some of these have not been created yet, but are slated to be at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Writing systems.

All templates included for deletion are:

These seem not very useful to me, as well as redundant. Delete per nom. ++Lar: t/c 05:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There's no reason to have three templates that mean the same thing. --Cswrye 06:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the ones that are used. Delete the others, especially the red ones (the not yet created ones). Discuss how to phase out all ISO 15924 conform templates, since there now is Template:User iso15924, which can handle all the ISO 15924 conform stuff. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –jonsafari 05:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the ones that are used, temporarily, until X-5 and X-N have been merged with X. Delete the others. Andrew Dalby 12:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep See {{User de}} and {{User de-5}}... both say pretty much the same thing. Yet they, and hundreds of other language templates like them, aren't listed here... because there has been an ongoing debate about this issue. Deleting these without resolution of that larger debate, or their being replaced by something like the {{User iso15924}} template mentioned above would be pointlessly disruptive. Yes, we should have a more organized system... but inconsistently deleting parts of the system we have doesn't get us there. --CBD 14:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
de isn't listed because these are writing systems, not languages. There is a difference. pschemp | talk 17:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Non-writing systems templates edit

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The result of the debate was delete by User:Runcorn. --Runcorn 07:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Templates serve no purpose and resulting category is useless as search tool. pschemp | talk 03:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Example:

{{user Arab-0}} makes

ع-0

This user does not understand the Arabic alphabet.

These templates are not useful. There is little reason to advertise that you can’t write in Armenian, and the templates put people in associated categories. There is no search value to a category of people who can’t use a certain writing system at all. Some of these have not been created yet, but are slated to be at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Writing systems.

All templates included for deletion are:

These seem not very useful to me, as well as redundant. Delete per nom. ++Lar: t/c 05:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A template describing what you can't do is pointless. --Cswrye 06:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
delete per Cswyre, although {{User en-0}} is useful on an English language project. Thryduulf 02:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –jonsafari 05:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]