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I've listed this article for peer review because… I did not get any help the first time. I'm not a native English speaker and it took me a lot of time to get the article where it is now but it flunked the FAC review. I need help with my prose in order to make through FAC review.
Thanks, Eli+ 12:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Reviewing... Will post comments soon. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- Comments:
- "The Law school of Beirut..." — lowercase "Law" since it's not a proper noun.
- It's stating the obvious, but you should say that it "was a center for the study of Roman law in classical antiquity located in Beirut."
- Sometimes you have "seventeenth century" and sometimes you have "19th century";
- According to Collinet's book, Ménage also supported Emperor Alexander Severus (not Septimius) as the school foundation promoter.
- Indeed I had to re-read the passage for myself :S -Eli+ 10:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
.Parmi les anciens, Haserappelle et réfute les opinions de Scipion Gentilis qui en attribuait la fondation à Auguste, d'autres écrivains qui mettaient ses débuts sous Hadrien, de Ménage qui en plaçait le commencement sous Alexandre Sévère. Pour lui, l'École aurait été créée peu après la victoire d'Actium, opinion qui ne repose sur aucun argument solide
— Paul Collinet, Histoire de l'école de droit de Beyrouth
- "... based on the reference in Gregory." — I suppose you're referring to Thaumaturgus? Better use the surname instead.
- What is the purpose of ref 11? To source the author? I don't see a point in that.
- "This function is first recorded for 196 CE..." — for or in?
- "From 425 CE onward..."
- "30,000 people lost their lives..." — Don't begin a sentence with a figure in numerical format. Either spell it out or rephrase so you can put words before it.
- "... and did not cover the local laws of the province of Phoenica." — typo: Phoenica→Phoenicia
- "... fixed the duration of the legal course in the schools of Beirut and Constantinople at
5five years."
- ... but Justinian changed the name of the first-year students from the frivolous dupondii, which means "two-pennies"
. First-year students were henceforth designatedto Iustiniani novi;andfifth-year students were dubbed Prolytae;while the other names remained unchanged."
- According to the source, the Prota part of the Digest encompasses books 1 to 4, not 1 to 5.
- Who is Theophilus?
- "Julian left Beirut and settled in Constantinople..." — Julianus
- "... it is presumed that Beirut and Constantinople's schools had
4four teachers each."
- "While most of the law school's students names..." — students→student
- "The first mention of the school's premises dates to 350
ADCE..."
- "A degree in law became highly sought after following an edict issued in 460 CE by Emperor Leo I." — remove after or following
- "... the Christian faith was consolidated as an integral element of the jursitic training." — typo: jursitic→juristic
After you address these, I may do some copyediting myself to try and finetune prose issues. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
More comments:
- Is Julianus Antecessor the same Julianus in "Three school professors who were contemporary to Justinian I are Dorotheus, Anatolius and Julianus."?
- I linked the names of the remaining Ecumenical Masters, even though they're red links. Do you intend on creating pages for them? If not, it's up to you to have them red-linked or not linked at all.
- The "periods" infobox parameter should probably list Late Antiquity, while the "cultures" parameters should list Roman and Byzantine. Parutakupiu (talk) 20:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've taken another look at the "Legacy" section, and I feel that the next-to-last paragraph plus the one before it focus more on the Corpus Iuris Civilis and its impact in the legal systems of the Western world, than on the law school itself (as all the other paragraphs). Okay, it was a work assembled by Beirut law teachers, but that link was already mentioned before, and it seems enough to me concerning the school's legacy. No need to go over the work's legacy itself. Can you see where I'm going? Parutakupiu (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
- I couldn't agree more!!! In previous versions i only implied this relationship but reviewer Quadell asked me to elaborate on this point in the FAC nomination. I was reluctant because i didn't want to engage in unnecessary detail and I had to chop thousands of years of history into tiny bits to fit into a paragraph. If you go the article's FAC nom and search for this passage : "The "Legacy" section implies that work done at Beirut helped shape the legal systems that would become Byzantine law and later Western law in general." you'll know what I'm talking about. I don;'t know if there's a way around this dilemma, i'm not convinced with that level of detail either. -Eli+ 11:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- and sorry for the really late reply but I'm having a terribly busy day :( -Eli+ 12:00, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- (No worries.) If I were to decide, I'd chop away those paragraphs. I suggest you raise that specific issue in the FAC nomination page, to create more awareness to potential reviewers. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- I'll do that buddy, thanks -Eli+ 18:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)