Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Vince's Devils
Vince's Devils
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I am nominating the topic Vince's Devils as a Good Topic. The group was an all female alliance of wrestlers in World Wrestling Entertainment in 2005 and 2006. The lead article (Vince's Devils), as well as the three individual members' articles (Candice Michelle, Lisa Marie Varon, and Torrie Wilson) are all current Good Articles. Nikki♥311 20:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Support iMatthew 20:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
- Support - GA main article, GA sub articles. Good work.--SRX 02:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Zginder 2008-12-04T03:51Z (UTC)
Oppose- this is like the Quietly Confident Quartet nom. The point of featured topics is to provide comprehensive coverage of the subject in question, and here, that seems to me to not be the case unless the article Vince McMahon is included - rst20xx (talk) 15:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)- I disagree with you. For the QFQ, the individual races are very related to the swimmers who swam them and what made them famous. Here, however, Vince McMahon had nothing to do with the group except that it was named after him (because he is chairman of the company). He was not part of the group, and his only mention in the article (besides being the namesake) is the one match he made, but that was part of his job at the time...he announced/decided at least most of the matches on Raw. That is like making a Good Topic about the Atlanta Braves and including an article on Native Americans (namesake) and the head of the National League. Nikki♥311 21:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm, maybe you're right, but would it not help if the article described the sequence of events that led to the team being named after him? rst20xx (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I can remember (and I haven't read anything differently when doing the research for the article) that they just kind of randomly began calling themselves that. I'll look again, though, and see if I can find anything more specific. Nikki♥311 00:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, the Torrie Wilson article says "Vince McMahon soon begin referring to the team of Wilson, Victoria, and Candice as "Vince's Devils."" That's not in the main article, that Vince came up with the name - rst20xx (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- It does say that, but I removed it because after some research, I believe it to be incorrect. I just watched every video on WWE.com with the girls in it and looked at every website that mentions the group. Torrie Wilson's official fansite says the girls renamed their alliance the night after New Year's Resolution and doesn't mention McMahon at all in relation to the rename. In all the videos I watched, Vince McMahon never once referred to the group as Vince's Devils (and curiously, the announcers never did either). I did, however, find a note about them flirting backstage with McMahon about a month after the group was renamed, so I added that, too. Nikki♥311 02:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I'll strike my oppose, I'm left with the impression that Vince McMahon wasn't as integral as I first thought - rst20xx (talk) 13:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- It does say that, but I removed it because after some research, I believe it to be incorrect. I just watched every video on WWE.com with the girls in it and looked at every website that mentions the group. Torrie Wilson's official fansite says the girls renamed their alliance the night after New Year's Resolution and doesn't mention McMahon at all in relation to the rename. In all the videos I watched, Vince McMahon never once referred to the group as Vince's Devils (and curiously, the announcers never did either). I did, however, find a note about them flirting backstage with McMahon about a month after the group was renamed, so I added that, too. Nikki♥311 02:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, the Torrie Wilson article says "Vince McMahon soon begin referring to the team of Wilson, Victoria, and Candice as "Vince's Devils."" That's not in the main article, that Vince came up with the name - rst20xx (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- As far as I can remember (and I haven't read anything differently when doing the research for the article) that they just kind of randomly began calling themselves that. I'll look again, though, and see if I can find anything more specific. Nikki♥311 00:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm, maybe you're right, but would it not help if the article described the sequence of events that led to the team being named after him? rst20xx (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree with you. For the QFQ, the individual races are very related to the swimmers who swam them and what made them famous. Here, however, Vince McMahon had nothing to do with the group except that it was named after him (because he is chairman of the company). He was not part of the group, and his only mention in the article (besides being the namesake) is the one match he made, but that was part of his job at the time...he announced/decided at least most of the matches on Raw. That is like making a Good Topic about the Atlanta Braves and including an article on Native Americans (namesake) and the head of the National League. Nikki♥311 21:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
- Support I also disagree with Rst20xx, QCQ's problem was that the group was that the group was famous and solely notable as a group from a single race, which was not included in the topic. V'D is not closely related to Vince McMahon, it's just named after him. ----PresN 00:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
- Close with consensus to promote - rst20xx (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)