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AIFF Player of the Year Awards edit

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Nominator(s): Drat8sub (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I've improved the article significantly with all required information, citations and structure and from previous experiences of nominations I've taken care of small details carefully. I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria per WP:WIAFL and has a scope of getting FL status. I welcome to all comments and suggestions regarding this nomination. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "The AIFF Player of the Year are the annual football awards presented to the best footballers" => "The AIFF Player of the Year is an annual award presented to the best footballers". That reads a bit strangely because you have combined info on three awards into one article and refer to them collectively as "AIFF Player of the Year" (singular), but I can't think of a better way to word it right now......
I have made a little tweak by addding.. The The AIFF Player of the Year "Awards"...I think that looks better.Drat8sub (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is Oinam Bembem Devi referred to by that name in some places and just Bembem Devi in others? Same for (Ngangom) Bala Devi
  • The lead seems very short. Is there no info available on how the winner is determined (who votes, etc) that could be used to expand it?
  • Remove the word "the" from the headings of the three sections
  • "He is also the first player to win it consecutively" => "He was also the first player to win it consecutively" (this happened in the past)
  • "Sunil Chhetri has been chosen as the AIFF Player of the Year for six times" => "Sunil Chhetri has been chosen as the AIFF Player of the Year six times"
  • "I. M. Vijayan, the first recipient of the award was also the first player to win for consecutive second time. He won the award thrice." => "I. M. Vijayan, the first recipient of the award, was also the first player to win for a second time. He won the award three times."
  • "Subrata Pal is the first goalkeeper to win the award." => "Subrata Pal was the first goalkeeper to win the award."
  • What's the source for that last statement?
Which one? Drat8sub (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That he was the first goalie to win -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added citation. Drat8sub (talk) 20:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude, thanks as always for reviewing. Fixed all above and expanded the lead with process of selection. Drat8sub (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • One other point - the refs use inconsistent date formatting, sometimes even with the same ref e.g. "Sunil Chhetri wins 2017 AIFF Player of the Year award". The Times of India. 22 July 2018. Archived from the original on 2018-11-04. Retrieved 2018-07-24 -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude, was out of the FLCs for a long time, forget all the basics. Correct !! I should have atleast checked the ref format properly. Fixed now. Drat8sub (talk) 20:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can still see inconsistent date formatting in refs 1 and 3......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude, done. Drat8sub (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass edit

  • There's some inconsistent formatting between websites: the-aiff.com vs Indian Super League (why not indiansuperleague.com?)
Consistency should be between same website, not different, i.e, if once put the-aiff.com, then another one should not be AIFF. But it can be IndianSuperLeague and it should be consistent for all IndianSuperLeague citations.
No, not every time, once is enough.
  • date missing for ref 4
  • ref 5 missing website and author
  • date for ref 7
  • refs 6 and 10 have website/publisher formatted differently when they're the same
  • ref 12 missing date and author
  • why is the Times Now Network in ref 13 but not ref 3?
because agencies are different, one is PTI, another is TNN
  • ref 16 missing date
  • Reliability is good. Glanced through for some brief spot checks. Aza24 (talk) 03:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Aza24, fixed. Other points are addressed above. Drat8sub (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Drat8sub, the reason I brought up these things is because they're inconsistent, I don't know why you bother disagreeing about something that takes 5 seconds, it wastes everyone's time. The reason we link publishers is so a user can hover over a ref and see the link, no reader goes to the actual references section so linking every time makes sense – either way, the only reason I brought it up is because you linked India today in refs 8 and 9 but not the others... I have gone ahead and linked them. If you're going to use the website parameter you should use it consistently, otherwise change it to publisher. Once again, this fix would take literally 5 seconds, I have implemented it... feel free to change back to "Indian Super League" is you're going to change to the "website=" to "publisher=". Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 16:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's ok, I'm not changing. I believe in linking once as hardly anyone open link from the reflist and above that it's very short reflist. Drat8sub (talk) 19:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Edwininlondon edit

I'm no expert on AIFF but a few comments:

  • Why is this article not called AIFF Player of the Year Awards? The text in bold style in the opening sentence and the article title are meant to be the same (see for example 69th Academy Awards).
  • The AIFF Women’s Player of the Year award --> better to be consistent with the opening sentence and have a capital for Award here too
  • Between 2001 and 2012, no women's award was given out --> bit odd. The 2012 seems to indicate this range is inclusive but 2001 did have an award, so inconsistent. Better perhaps to avoid the scope issue altogether and rephrase to something along the lines of "After the inaugural award, no women's awards were given out until 2012 when ..."
  • Other than Bembem Devi, Bala Devi has also won the award twice in 2015 and 2016. --> a comma is needed after twice. Now it reads as if many awards were handed out in 2015.
  • AIFF Emerging Player of the Year award --> capital A again
  • was introduced in 2013, a similar award for women was introduced in 2015 --> better would be "was introduced in 2013, and a similar award for women in 2015.
  • List of AIFF Men's Player of the Year winners --> List of AIFF Men's Player of the Year Award winners
  • Sunil Chhetri has received the award a record six times in 2007 --> a comma is needed after times
  • and most recently for the 2018−19 season --> why the change to seasons? Why not the year? Did something change in the way the awards worked? If so, that should be mentioned somewhere.
  • Bembem Devi was the first recipient of the award in 2001; it was not awarded between 2002 and 2012. Bembem Devi retained it when it was awarded again in 2013 --> that is a lot of repetition of award. Perhaps something along the lines of "Bembem Devi was the first recipient of the women's award in 2001. Between 2002 and 2012 the contest was not held. Bembem Devi won again when the women's award was restarted, in 2013."
  • Add the club names the player was playing for, similar to Premier League Player of the Season
  • Add tables with awards won by club, similar to Premier League Player of the Season

I did do a small spotcheck of sources and all looks fine. Edwininlondon (talk) 15:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drat8sub hasn't edited for a month, if no-one else wants to pick this up I guess we'll have to archive it in a couple of days time. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, I'll partially handle the comments. Edwininlondon, I resolved all but point 1, and the last two. GeraldWL 07:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Waldo Luis ok, thanks, let's see how it goes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Waldo Luis, The Rambling Man: I shall attempt to deal with the last 2 points. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've started this but need some guidance as I know nothing about football in India. None of the award sources I checked list the winner's club, so this needs to be pieced together. It seems these awards are handed out in December. I think the seasons run from autumn to spring. Taking a random winner, Eugeneson Lyngdoh who won in 2015, my best guess is that he won the award for his performance at Bengaluru during the 2014-15 season and his performance at Pune City during the 2015-16 season. So in the club column both Bengaluru and Pune City should be listed. Am I doing this right? There are quite a few who have moved clubs a lot. Edwininlondon (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm abandoning this. I can't find any sources for the clubs these players played for. The usual sources have nothing on the winners from the 90s. So what that decision and thanks to edits by Gerald Waldo Luis, I now support. Edwininlondon (talk) 11:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support with comments (resolved) from Gerald Waldo Luis edit

  • "In 1998 and 1999, no winner was announced." Perhaps "No winner was announced in 1998 and 1999."
  • "Between 2001 and 2012, no women's award was given out." Perhaps "No winner was given out from 2002 up to 2012." The list says that Devi is the recipient in 2001, so why is it "Between 2001 and 2012"?
  • "a similar award for women was introduced in 2015." Perhaps say the name of the award, if there's one?
  • Recommend adding alt texts.

GeraldWL 10:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drat8sub I will close this nomination in two days if no-one steps up to take it over as the nominator hasn't edited since last November. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: bump --Guerillero Parlez Moi 04:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • I don't understand why the men and women table can't be merged like it is for the emerging award.
  • Suddenly it goes from 2017 to "2018–19" so did the award change to being a "seasonal" thing?
  • 1998, 1999 sorts out of order.
  • Looks like we have an image of Bembem Devi which could be cropped for use here.
  • Ref 5 is missing a work/publisher/website.
  • Ref 6, "The Hindu" isn't a publisher, it's a work.
  • Sometimes India Today refs have a publisher, sometimes not.
  • Ref 3 and ref 13 have same work but different publisher.
  • I'm not seeing this award mentioned in the "Football in India" template so it should either be added or the navigational template should be removed.

The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - this FLC's been open for a few days shy of six months, is it maybe time to put it out of its misery......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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