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Created by a single purpose editor so possible promotion or autobio. A search for sources in google news and google books yielded nothing in depth. Mainly 1 line mentions in google books, this source "The Sid Kess Approach - Page 82" seems the only decent one. But fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 00:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Has about three papers that come up in Gscholar, not much of anything else really, mentioned here [1]. Doesn't seem to have made much notability for our purposes here. Oaktree b (talk) 02:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PROMO, not a pass for WP:BASIC. No reliable source in the article, nor ones I could find online searching for "Michael Cohen"+"UFO" to try to avoid all the references to Trump's personal lawyer, gives significant coverage to Michael Cohen. Instead they only cover his paranormal/aliens output and give him a trivial mention (e.g., in this piece, "Those who smell a hoax point to several suspicious aspects of the video, including the fact that the man who posted the piece, a paranormal enthusiast named Michael Cohen, has been involved with several other videos of UFOs and other phenomena that are of questionable authenticity.").
I could not find indepth coverage in google news or books to meet WP:BIO or WP:PROF, not a full professor and citations count is relatively low. Also an orphan article, which is unusual for an acadenic. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. With a PhD in 2017, I think this is just a case of too-early career. There's one or two highly cited papers, then a big drop off. No prejudice to recreating in a few years. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Written as a PR piece with lack of proper sourcing. References used mention very little about the subject neither are they the focus of the person. May not meet WP:GNG. AnonUser1 (talk) 04:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A lot of the sources appear to be offline. It's hard to assess newspaper coverage when there are no url links. Did the nominator access these sources, and if so where so we can all view them? If the nominator did not view the cited materials, then in good faith we should accept them as containing WP:SIGCOV of the subject.4meter4 (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was unable to locate online any of the newspaper sources mentioned so could not verify. Some of the sources listed appear to have associated websites that publish online versions of their newspaper articles, yet none of the articles referenced seem to exist. AnonUser1 (talk) 05:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately the Blacktown Advocate is now defunct and it’s difficult to access those newspaper archives. Part of WP:AGF is that we accept off-line sources, and based on the citations it looks like that newspaper had the most in-depth coverage. I don’t think I would be comfortable supporting a deletion vote when the best materials have not been viewed.4meter4 (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the Blacktown Advocate articles. New break for young star - "AT JUST 22, Clare McCann has made a name for herself on the entertainment circuit, and now she's returning to where it all started. The Blacktown girl has landed the leading role as Mimi in the musical stage production Rent, due to open at the Blacktown City Community Theatre this week." Promotion for local Community Theatre event. Girls leap into squad - "THERE'S more than one way to impress girls. School mates Vlado Kurtuma and Hasim Sindel, both 16, were sitting around one afternoon after P.E. class when Parramatta Eels Cheerleader Clare McCann showed up.McCann, 20, from Doonside, runs dance classes after hours in Doonside Technology High's school hall." A call for boys to come and join cheerleading classes. Add a good voice - " ``There's a lot of girls who do dancing and are looking for something new,`` said instructor Clare McCann, who has been a Parramatta Eels Cheerleaders member for the past two years." Promotion for pen day to promote cheerleading class. Flashdancer win - "SWITCHING from hard trance to R`n'B to salsa, all in one two-minute routine, Clare McCann shuffled and spun her way to victory at the Miss Flashdancer 2006 grand final last month." Report on local winning a nightclub dance contest. Short cut to fame - "BLACKTOWN City Community Theatre's 2004 season is kicking off next week with its annual Four Short Plays Plus." "Clare McCann, of Doonside, has written and directed her second play, Fairyland, proving, at age 17 that youth is no barrier to success on the stage." One sentence in article about local Community Theatre event. Nothing significnt here. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Given that the off-line sources have not been viewed by the nominator, I think we should accept in good faith that those sources meet WP:SIGCOV until proven otherwise.4meter4 (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No sources that i can find, and what's given in the article appears to be purely local coverage, mostly all sourced to the same media outlet. Oaktree b (talk) 16:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This person has been active since 2007 in Australia, so finding online coverage such as in google news should be easy. She is not from say the 1940s where we would have to rely on digitized newspaper archives. A search yielded nothing indepth. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is clearly an advertorial-style TV show that lacks notability and coverage in reliable sources under WP:NTV and WP:GNG. In terms of existing sources, the Herald Sun reference is actually to a suburban local paper owned by the same company, not to the Melbourne Herald Sun itself. Boneymau (talk) 03:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. The show seems clearly notable as an established broadcast TV program. The fact that the actual content of the show might be fluffy business cheerleading seems to be influencing the nomination, and it shouldn’t, that has nothing to do with the notability of the show.
The fact that this article is fluffy cheerleading however, is relevant, and this article isn’t ready to be public in its current form, hence the nomination. It will need an eventual source analysis but that’s premature until the article is NPOV.
When that happens, the analysis of sources should be mindful that this is media, and coverage of media within other media tends to follow different conventions. WilsonP NYC (talk) 16:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on 1 primary source. A search for sources found 1 darts related article in google news, and 1 line mentions in google books. LibStar (talk) 22:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Oxford Companion to Australian Sport (1994, Oxford University Press, page 6) does have coverage of him in its entry on "Aborigenes in Sport" naming him specifically as an notable Aborigene athlete. There is also some coverage of him on page 2 in his more major competitions. There is a biographical entry of him in Aboriginal and Islander Sports Hall of Fame (1996, Allen & Unwin) which has biographies on all the athletes inducted into the Aboriginal and Islander Sports Hall of Fame up until the year of publication. I would consider him notable based on this last honor.4meter4 (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the descriptive you used is an extremely offensive term, Aboriginal is the better term and with preference to identify what country or cultures a person is connected to. Gnangarra14:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was quoting the source. Don’t blame me. That’s literally the name used in the encyclopedia entry’s title. I’m not going to misrepresent sources and change text or titles.4meter4 (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Driver fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, having mainly contested low-level domestic championships (state Formula Ford, hillclimbing, national Production Cars) and not achieved notable success in international/higher-level series (British FFord, AUSCAR). Whilst the article appears to be well sourced on the surface, most of the sources direct to a websites' home page rather than an article – a quick internet search for "Brendon Cook racing driver" also brings up routine database sites and Wikipedia, therefore a lack of SIGCOV. Furthermore, I have reason to believe that User:Bjcook, the article creator, is the subject of the article and therefore in violation of WP:COI. MSportWiki (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like you haven't read the whole article. You will see a search on "Brendon Cook racing driver" is pretty useless. In the references from other editors, you will see he has gone by the name of BJ Cook, Brendon & Brendan (I assume spelt incorrectly or reverts in spell check).
Looking at other interests, he played Rugby League internationals 1992 Pacific Cup and games in the New Zealand provincial rugby championship with Manawatu which included a game against the British & Irish Lions according the Its Rugby profile. He is also the son of a former NRL player.
In cricket he played one international game in the 2001 Pacifica Cup (date of birth the same in cricketarchive.com profile).
Simply playing international rugby league and cricket matches for minnow teams doesn't meet notability requirements as there is no indication of success. Having kinship with a National Rugby League player is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Combined with the lack of proper sourcing, it is a self-promotional piece at best. MSportWiki (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In your personal opinion. No body else has raised this since the article came about in 2006. If you have a personal agenda to delete this I'm not going to change your mind. Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here. So who is anyone to question you. NigelPorter (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're being very presumptive with statements such as "Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here", which isn't useful to the discussion. Do you have a COI with this article? MSportWiki (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's focus on the article and its sourcing, not each other. The topic is whether or not we have sources that can establish this subject's notability. LizRead!Talk!05:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think he used to go by BJ Cook when he raced. He also entered cars in the Production Car Championship with other drivers in them. He ran the Revolution Racegear store in Sydney for ages. So entrenched in the motorsport scene. But does that mean you need a wiki page? Probably need to re-configure article if going to keep.Greg Nail (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete he was also known as 'magic' and 'mago' and there is also a Australian footballer called Michael 'Magic' McLean, which confuses things. The broadcaster was clearly liked and admired, but there's not enough coverage out there to pass WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There are many similar names that make confusing and difficult to search but was able to find one more source here[2]. If this is added I think it could pass minimum notability given that the subject is deceased. Mekomo (talk) 11:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The article never seems to have been referenced properly since its creation. My WP:BEFORE searches turned up no significant coverage in decent sources apart from passing mentions of the characters played. I therefore suggest that the subject does not meet WP:NACTOR. SunloungerFrog (talk) 13:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no significant coverage on the career of the subject is not accurate. Opening the first source on the page allows to verify it; No notable significant roles played by the subject seems also inaccurate, considering he had more than two hundreds of episodes in the Sullivans and his role seems "notable" enough [note that the guideline does not say notable, which would make the roles/characters article-worthy, but significant] not to mention almost 100 in E Street (see article), and 70 or more in the Young Doctors), all of them being quite notable Australian series, but being only a part of his career.-Mushy Yank. 01:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source Analysis. After evaluating "significant changes", source 1 is not independent and has some coverage on the role the subject played but not noteworthy. Source 2 is just passing mention, Source 3 and 5 are just entries and sources 4 is an unreliable personal tribute site created by glittergalwebs. RangersRus (talk) 02:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"not noteworthy" is a very personal and highly debatable appraisal. Also, I would like to note that the quotation marks to mention the significant changes are unnecessarily disdainful. Whatever one thinks of them, they are changes made to the page and not minor. So " ": no, thank you.-Mushy Yank. 03:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the publisher of the site covered by this page, I would like to reactivate an earlier discussion concerning its potential deletion. I support this idea and the suggestion of absorbing its subject matter into a more general page about Australian political blogging. William Bowe (talk) 13:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Created in 2008, it had just one source since then and currently has nothing to pass notability per Google search results indication. This game fails WP:NGAME. Mekomo (talk) 13:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There should probably be an article on roll-and-moves and spin-and-move games including their history. This probably would get a mention. But I'm not seeing anything close to WP:N being met here. Hobit (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Renominating as last AfD was no consensus. No significant coverage in gnews, gbooks and Australian database Trove. Most of the sources are primary like minister's announcements and government sources. LibStar (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to the offline sources in the article and the additional materials provided in the first AFD, there is some significant coverage in this journal article: [3]. I'm also seeing a bunch of Australian Education journals and magazines covering the topic in 1980s publications in google books, but they are only available in snippet view. From what I have been able to find, this seems like it was a major education initiative in the 1980s in Australia with a thousand teaching positions created under this title and an associated training program in order to work in that position. Seems like a notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not delete!
I am a high school teacher in Perth and Shakir was invited to be a special guest at our Montessori school last year to talk about life in bands and also all the films he worked on and appeared in.
To this day, a year later, the kids all say it was the best day they have had at school!
He showed parts of all the films he worked on as the action vehicles coordinator as well as the parts he also appeared in and then showed us all the music videos of the bands he has played in and then gave a drum performance and some lessons for the kids!
The students have regularly used his Wikipedia page for reference in various home-work and projects since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.118.65.6 (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article contains no reliable sources, has been marked as such for over 4 years. I've looked for sources but have been unable to find anything reliable or reputable, Google News, Newspapers and Books turns up nothing at all. Current text is likely original research, possibly advertising - suspicion they've been written by the person the article is about. Also question the notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfwaywrong (talk • contribs) 13:12, 12 November 2024
I was a bit surprised to see this page nominated for deletion out of the blue after its been online since I think 2007 or so.
There are currently About 1,570 results in google for "Shakir Pichler" in quotes and that's not including the extraneous ones if googled without quotes.
The sources are reliable - IMDB for example but I think it could do with some proper formatting perhaps.
I have edited it from time to time when others have added incorrect data as well as removing old social links like myspace from the days of old :) and this page is also linked on various other wiki pages band line-ups and feature films for example.
It's certainly not being used for 'self promotion' in any way but it is factual of someone who has made a worthy contribution to both Australian music as well as Australian and Hollywood feature films so not sure why it was targeted to be honest.
There are a bunch of other credible links I could provide when I have the time and I should edit the page to make it more up to date at some point.
Anyway, again, it's definitely not 'self promotional' just because I made sure it was factual.
I'd love some help in adding all the proper ref links (film credits) (Band credits) and things to make sure it adheres to any changing wiki regulations.
Hi @Starship.paint. Thanks. Wow, I always thought IMDB was highly ranked but good to know.
Every film credited on this wiki page is verifiable on each feature film's official imdb sub page but interesting to know it's not a reliable link even though some of the titles are big Hollywood movies.
Hopefully there are links to each film's official info separately somewhere although I have no idea where to look. The production companies involved perhaps?
WP:RSP does mention that there are exceptions to the unreliable sources. I would have thought that each film's official IMDB entry would be ok? like for one example "Jasper Jones" and then view all cast and crew to see "Shakir Pichler' listed as action vehicles coordinator. etc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5091014/ Or still not good?
As I mentioned, I'd love to clean up the formatting of this page to adhere to Wiki's best practice. And how to add and format proper inline links...
@Sexbeatrecords: - actually the main concern here is WP:GNG. To put it in a different way, is Shakir Pichler a notable (prominent/important/distinguished) person? Wikipedia does not seek to write entries for everyone on Earth. If Shakir Pichler is notable, reliable sources will write about him. There will be journal articles, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles. It is up to you to prove that Shakir Pichler is notable by receiving reliable source coverage. starship.paint (talk / cont)08:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of people seem to think so!
Considering how many Australian bands he has played and recorded/released albums with, released music videos aired on shows like ABC RAGE and interviewed multiple times on radio stations like Triple J & then there is the film industry side - considering how many feature films he has been THE action vehicles coordinator of and in also appearing IN some of these films, he should absolutely have a wiki entry that documents and links with these achievements. Bit surprised this is even in contention tbh.
There are lots of newspaper articles regarding Shakir Pichler in those bands in hard copy that go back to the mid 1980's that are not available online. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These were two VERY important original bands from Perth who toured, released and contributed and pioneered WA's rich musical tapestry of original music nationally and internationally. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sexbeatrecords: - the whammo sources (which, I believe, are the exact same as the Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop by Ian McFarlane) do not provide WP:SIGCOV significant coverage, they just mention Pichler very briefly: Kryptonics ... Shakir Pichler (drums) / Bamboos ... In 1986, Shakir Pichler replaced Tony Chiallella on drums ... 1987 ... Russell Hopkinson (ex-Vicious Circle) had replaced Pichler on drums. Blogspot is not a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. starship.paint (talk / cont)14:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. An admin Didier Landner very kindly added more references to the page and voted .Keep
There are also hard copy books that mention Shakir Pichler and also a few of his bands.
Also found Shakir's youtube page has a long radio interview with him live on 6UVS-FM (now RTR FM) From Perth 1986! All about the Bamboos and their massive east coast tour which was great to listen to just now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fNppILFGY
I have reached out to a friend who may be able to contact Shakir to see if they can get him to send any links we don't know about that would add to his credits or newspaper clippings etc if that is possible to even use if he has them. Shakir was regularly interviewed in Australian newspapers and radio stations but can't seem to find archives easily to show this.
Either way, he is an important part of Australian music history and in everyones opinion who knew his bands would absolutely agree. Yes Indie music is niche and I understand that your may not have heard of him or his bands but that only makes his contributions to Oz music more important to retain as it wasn't commercial mainstream homogenised music that everyone knows. SO wiki is a great way to learn about the WA and Australian live music scene in general.
I have been a fan of his bands since the 80's and still have all his records on vinyl to this day.
Found a digitised newspaper clipping of a big scandal that was reported in quite a few newspapers for some weeks regarding Shakir's scandalous departure from the band 'The Bamboos' mid-tour East coast tour!
Keep I've add references (McFarlane and Kent) to support subject's membership of two notable bands. Hence, passes Wikipedia:Notability (music)#6 per "is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles".Didier Landner (talk) 05:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NFILM. Previously at AfD in 2006, the article claims that the film has "garnered major media coverage and was screened at numerous local and international film festivals to great response". No actual sources to confirm this. No sources were provided at the previous AfD. The best claim to notability is being a finalist at Australian Effects & Animation Festival (AEAF): [6]. NFILM doesn't mention being a finalist as an indication of notability, only a major award win. Even if this was counted towards notability (which I'm not), it wouldn't be enough on its own. Suggesting redirection to Cultural impact of Star Wars#Fandom, fan films and fan edits. Mika1h (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The sources are kind of slow going since the bulk were done in the early to mid 2000s, but I'm finding evidence that this did get some coverage back in the day. I found some coverage of the film in The Age - the overall article was about SW fandom but the film is covered in some depth. I did find a copy of the fan magazine on Lulu, but you have to pay for it. I'm leaning towards this being notable - at the very least it should be mentioned somewhere because the sources that I'm finding tend to focus on it as one of the best examples of Star Wars fan film. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡)14:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Partial Merge: I've added a source for I-CON's audience award (but that is not in itself neither sufficient nor likely to be overwhelmingly significant). It does not appear in Will Brooker's "Using the Force" (2002) despite what GBooks suggests. I'd take an actual review on theforce.net (non-forum) but there doesn't seem to be one. At best it looks like it could be a weak keep, but it's not there yet. Of the current sources, the Otero&Redondo book is a short descriptive para and has no independent analysis/review. Nor do the The Age stories. I can't read the Herald Sun article but it appears likely to be similar (?). I'm seeing very few hits for "Fan Films Quarterly", and not clear to me if they should be treated as an RS, and how much weight should be given to their opinion even if they are. La Muy's praise is limited to stating it has (GTranslated) "a more than successful setting". Datebook is a short but solid entry in a listicle by a freelancer, but it's currently the only thing which is solid. I've taken a stab at a merge here. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~11:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, just. 2020 (18 years after release) saw three paragraphs in San Francisco Chronicle, "Savoring ‘Star Wars’ with fans’ guidance" by Jef Rouner, May 4, 2020 and online [7]. At the time it had some coverage in Halliday, Claire (13 June 2002). "Amazing". The Age., in local news (very interview based) "In a galaxy - close to you". Melton/Bacchus Marsh Leader. 21 May 2002., and Williams, Kate (22 April 2002). "Star Wars fan - feels the force". Leader - Sandringham Brighton Advertiser. and other short mentions such as in [8]. International coverage almost 20 years later in SF Chron gets me over the line. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alisontalk04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [9], and some analysis here [10] and here [11]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Oaktree b I ran into that one as well but it turns out that she is part of the "Editorial collective" so it may not be considered independent. Then again, I can't imagine that there are many Gaelic speakers in Australia who aren't part of that collective. This is a tough one due to the minority language. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. At one point I attempted to create a page for an author whose book An Edge of the Forest won a few significant awards in the 1960s. The page was rejected on the basis that although there was notable coverage of the book, any coverage of the author was incidental and thus failed WP:AUTHOR. In this case, applying the same rationale, I can not see that the author meets WP:AUTHOR. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. I still am seeing No consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!05:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Spinifex&Sand is right that when an author has only one notable work, and the coverage is of that work rather than the author, we typically have an article just on the notable work. But when there are multiple notable works, NAUTHOR#3 does actually allow notability to be inherited for an author bio, if there is coverage of their "collective body of work". After some digging I think I see two WP:NBOOK candidates:
I also found this profile in The Irish Scene, which suggests notability, and this interview which does not but could be useful in fleshing out the article if kept. I have a hard time getting excited about only 2 NBOOKs as a "collective body of work", but I think some would consider that sufficient. I lean keep because I think the profiles in the Irish Times, Anglo&Celtic Australia Magazine, and now The Irish Scene together squeak by for GNG. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist for a better consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 09:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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