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Request name Motions Initiated Votes
Persistent WP:IDONTLIKEIT behavior in WP:NCROY discussions   10 May 2024 0/1/0
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Open cases
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Venezuelan politics (t) (ev / t) (ws / t) (pd / t) 20 Apr 2024 04 May 2024
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Conflict of interest management 13 Apr 2024
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Amendment request: Conduct in deletion-related editing none (orig. case) 30 April 2024
Clarification request: Palestine-Israel articles 4 none (orig. case) 8 May 2024

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Persistent WP:IDONTLIKEIT behavior in WP:NCROY discussions

Initiated by AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) at 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

NOTE: Additional requested moves have taken place where debates on WP:NCROY occurred. The below list encapsulates, in chronological order, the discussions the original poster (OP) thinks are relevant for this case request.

Statement by AndrewPeterT

Dear ArbCom,

I apologize in advance if my tone is improper. This is my first request.

At the core of this case request are behavioral concerns regarding how disagreements with WP:NCROY have been expressed. I come to ArbCom to request binding guidance on how to cease the constant user drama over how WP:NCROY should be applied. I also come to ArbCom to request binding guidance for all users on how to react when a personal interpretation of any guideline is rejected by community consensus.

I do not know if the linked discussions count as acceptable “lesser” methods of dispute resolution. However, over many months, at a plethora of venues, from talk pages to RMs and RfCs, bludgeoning, forum shopping, and even breaches of 5P4, among other concerns, have taken over conversations on WP:NCROY and left many users (myself included) exhausted.

I fail to see how any further discussion at WP:AN or WP:ANI can address such frequent and widespread behavior. Moreover, given the persistence in how some users have acted when their opinions are rejected, I likewise do not believe the non-binding guidance of WP:DRN will address these frustrations, which go beyond content disagreements.

Now, I will be honest - I am guilty myself of having let my emotions take over and acted disruptively when arguing for my interpretation of WP:NCROY. Additionally, I have owned up to and apologized for these lapses in judgement: A, B, and C. Furthermore, I have even started RMs to implement the consensus of WP:NCROY despite my personal disagreements: D.

What does it say about the community when RMs go a few months without a formal closure, only to be taken straight to a WP:MR discussion with comments inappropriate for such a venue (as noted in E)? Above all, what does it say about the community when closers of RMs are hesitant to even participate in closing WP:NCROY-related discussions (for fear of starting heated and possibly WP:UNCIVIL discussions): F and G?

Finally, I apologize if I have invited users who do not wish to participate in this case request. The basis of my proposed parties are (as I see) the key participants of two recent MR discussions for Edward IV and David III of Tao. But these are far from all the users involved. And the fact that I am saying this is a major reason that I am filing this case request.

Thank you very much for your consideration. Other users are welcome to elaborate on what I have discussed. I request an extension of my word count to answer inquiries from other users.

Sincerely,

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 02:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by TimothyBlue

  • I've made my position clear, the behavior in closing this discussion was unacceptable. This is what needs to be examined. @AndrewPeterT: fails to mention any of this. The close needs to be vacated, reopened for discussion, then properly closed. Closing guidelines need to unambiguously reflect that the way this was closed was unacceptable. I haven't looked at the other discussions, but if they were closed in a similar fashion, the same should apply.  // Timothy :: talk  06:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Huwmanbeing

Statement by Compassionate727

Statement by Born2cycle

Statement by Deb

Statement by Walrasiad

Statement by HouseBlaster

I probably should be listed as a proposed party, as I initiated both the Nicholas II and Edward IV/Edward V RMs.

I think this filing is premature. There have been many content discussions on this matter, but I have not seen many conduct discussions on this matter. There is a problem, but I don't think we are at the point where this an ArbCom problem. I think a referral to AN—as unappealing as that sounds—is the next thing to try here. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Robert McClenon (Royalty Naming)

This is a very poorly stated, rambling Request for Arbitration, but there may actually be a valid issue for the ArbCom to answer. My first thought was that maybe the ArbCom ought to warn the filing editor, or ought to consider whether to impose sanctions for frivolous litigation or vexatious litigation. My first thought was mistaken. The filing editor does have a valid question. The question is: Should the naming of articles on royalty be designated as a contentious topic? The filing editor lists a very large number of Requested Moves involving royalty. Maybe most of these requests are tendentious. If so, the contentious topic procedure should be used to topic-ban editors from troublesome requested moves. Alternatively, some other sort of disruptive editing may be interfering with the resolution of these naming discussions.

There is an issue for ArbCom to consider, which is whether the naming of articles on royalty is a contentious topic. ArbCom should open either a case or a discussion. The filing editor has identified a problem that ArbCom should address. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

Persistent WP:IDONTLIKEIT behavior in WP:NCROY discussions: Clerk notes

This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
  • @AndrewPeterT: please revert your notifications on project pages and the village pump for this case. The only people who should be notified are the editors you've listed as parties. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Persistent WP:IDONTLIKEIT behavior in WP:NCROY discussions: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/1/0>

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)

  • Just noting for the record that I closed the first RM listed, but I do not see that as enough to merit any sort of recusal. Primefac (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Decline per Barkeep49. Primefac (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absent further evidence from the community, I'm inclined to decline this request largely for the reasons that House Blaster lays out. The conduct part of this hasn't gone through the community channels yet which would make ArbCom intervention premature at this time. Barkeep49 (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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