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63rd Street Lines

Hi, epicgenius. I have been adding references to this page, and I realized that at one point you nominated it to become a good article. I have also found some good online resources, which document the original construction of the line. Could you help me incorporate information from these sources, and possibly help it become a good article? Thanks. Thanks for your work on those subway articles. Are there any other subway articles that you will be working to make good articles? Thanks. I have been adding references to this article. I have found a few good possible references.

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--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

• • @Kew Gardens 613: Thanks for the message. We can definitely help improve the 63rd Street Line article to good article status. Kylo, Rey, & Finn Consortium, now featuring BB-8 (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Stonewall National Monument

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Lexington – 63rd Street

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation § Lexington – 63rd Street

Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 17:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Amtrak template

Resolved

Hey, can you assist with the Template:Amtrak stations for North Philadelphia station? It seems to be pointing the s-line links in the wrong place and hell if I can figure it out.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Nevermind, I figured it out.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:39, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Dallas police shooting, and then some digression

You stated 6 officers were killed, but the refs say 5. Please provide a reliable source for 6 police dead or change it back. Edison (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Edison: No worries, I'll change it back. I accidentally wrote the wrong number. Kylo, Rey, Finn, BB-8, C-3PO, R2-D2, Poe, Han, Chewie, and Leia Consortium (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Its too hard for me to keep changing it back from 6 to 5 because of edit conflicts. It's more important to be correct than to be speedy when an article is as highly viewed as this one. By the way, your name as displayed suggests an account edited by more than one person, which is not permissible. Maybe it's an inside joke,but it is not appropriate.Edison (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Edison: Sorry. I just recently changed my signature. And now I have changed it again. Anyway, I have changed the article back to show that so far, 5 officers died. Kylo Ren (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

On a side note to myself, no one else has raised an issue about my signature display. Maybe there's a signature thing I don't know of? I know advertising is obviously not permitted, but I don't know about Star Wars jokes... Kylo Ren (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Username policy and Wikipedia:Signature. The rules for usernames apply also to signatures: "Personal usernames that imply shared access, such as "Jack and Jill", are not permitted." It is least misleading or confusing to use a signature which implies more than one person is editing with one account.Not all of us know all the characters in the Star Wars movies. (I've only heard of Han, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2D2). If I signed as "Thomas and Nikola" would it be clear it was a joke about 19th century inventors? Regards. Edison (talk) 16:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Edison: Thanks for the appropriate link to the policy. Also, you should really watch Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It's good. Kylo Ren (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I watched the first Star Wars movie on its opening night. The theater had to keep adding later showings to accomodate demand.Years later I sat and watched all the then-existent movies on cable in plot order (as opposed to release order). I haven't seen the latest. Edison (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Edison: That's cool. I've seen all of the movies, though not in order—I jumped around from the fourth (which was released first) to the first (released fourth), and then for some reason I watched the fifth (released second), then the seventh, which I watched twice. Still need to watch #2, #3, and #6, but at the rate I'm watching, which is about one movie every few months, I'll probably see whatever this is, twice, before I get around to finishing the rest. Kylo Ren (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I recommend a marathon viewing. When we saw the preview of the first film, we laughed because it looked like a silly throwback to 1930's space opera such as Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers (guy swinging on a rope in a space ship, swinging a light saber, etc). No idea the franchise would become a long-lived hallowed institution. On a side note, I found a pre WW1 silent movie in which a parlormaid had long braids which she wore curled up in the dual-honeybun fashion of Leia in the first movie. It was really a hairstyle from long ago if not far away. Edison (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Edison: I probably will watch it in a marathon viewing when August comes and I have an extremely long block of vacation time (i.e. time away from Wikipedia and other stuff going on in my life). Also, you know what they say... "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." Kylo Ren (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

The pre-Leia example of the same hairdo shows up at 15:58 in the 1919 film "Male and Female" which can be viewed on Wikimedia commons. Edison (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for telling me where I can find this. I will probably look it up later. Kylo Ren (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Punctuation

Punctuation and quote mark combination styles should not be uniform and are not dictates by English variants. We use logical quote style per WP:LQ. Please make sure the things you're changing adhere to that. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 16:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir: The punctuation was inconsistent. Most of the sentences or fragments already had ." or ," rather than ". or ",, regardless of WP:LQ. So I just made the punctuation thru the entire article uniform. Kylo Ren (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

That is counter to the manual of style though. Nothing calls for uniformity. In fact is suggests the opposite. Please don't ignore the mos like that. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 16:35, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir: No, I meant that there were punctuation inside quote marks, even when these instances were in the middle of a sentence. Also, I'm aware that the MOS isn't policy, so punctuation uniformity could be achieved, though I get the feeling it's not recommended. Regards, Kylo Ren (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

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Improvement of the Independent Subway System article

Hi, Epicgenius. Thanks again for your great work on making the Staten Island Tunnel article a Good Article. Also, thanks for helping improve several of the station articles. A project that I want to work on with you is improving the Independent Subway System article. The article is not laid out very well, some information is incorrect, and the article is lacking in-line citations, and it is lacking many important historical details. I have a bookshelf of books including Building the Independent Subway, that could help. If possible, could you help me with it, either in the mainspace, or in my Sandbox. Thanks again. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: Sure, I can help. The article's information largely comes from one source, so some errors may be present. We can probably find more sources from Fulton History or NY Times. Kylo Ren (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, you and Tdorante10 helped improve the Staten Island Tunnel article as well, so both of you should be proud of your work. Kylo Ren (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK for High Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)

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Posting some unencyclopedic stuff here as a test

I'm gonna catch them all! Kylo Ren (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kew Gardens – Union Turnpike (IND Queens Boulevard Line)

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DYK for 34th Street – Hudson Yards (IRT Flushing Line)

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Spaced dashes

In this technical move request in 2013 (and I'm guessing also others) you asked for moves to put spaces around en dashes, citing the station naming guideline. But that convention had been updated in 2012 to reflect the 2011 update of MOS:DASH. So you were asking for, and getting, moves away from the suggestion of the convention that you linked. This is probably why we've seen so little progress moving to convention-compliant naming in the subway articles. Dicklyon (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: I totally forgot about this; thanks for the reminder. But if you want to comply with MOS:DASH, there are a lot of articles in the subcategories of Category:New York City Subway stations that need to be moved, especially in Category:IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line stations. I think I will help out with some of the moves. Thanks again. Kylo Ren (talk) 15:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I started look at that bunch, esp. with the spaced en dash in parenthetical disambiguation, but when I tried to move a couple it said I could not. So it will need a bunch of technicals (hopefully we can all agree it's not controversial). From sources and MOS, it looks like the slashes ought to be unspaced, too. Dicklyon (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Could you give me the names of the pages you couldn't move? I can probably take care of that for you using a round-robin page move, since we can agree it's uncontroversial and I would not get sanctioned for this. (Or you can do technical requests, which is probably better and won't get either of us in trouble if any problems arise). Kylo Ren (talk) 17:44, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd start with the ones linked through redirects on the naming conventions page; the ones I changed in this diff that now appear this way in that conventions page:

• Cathedral Parkway–110th Street

I just moved the rest; I was surprised that they all went; I've got some editing to do on them now.

The next batch would be those in Category:IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line stations (and rename the category, too, to unspace the en dash). I can't tell you which few I tried and got stumped on. Example, one I moved part way to fix a redlink I had created, but I can't get to this:

• 34th Street–Penn Station (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line)

It's good that redirects without the spacing are in place, so we change edit without making a lot of redlinks, but it does make the moving hard sometimes. Dicklyon (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

I think we can get technical help for some of the moves that can't be done without suppressing a redirect. Anyway, we have at least 100 pages to move to a new convention. Kylo Ren (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Probably way more than 100; I've been doing such things for MOS:JR for several months; we've moved well over 1000. Dicklyon (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: You're right. I counted 131 such articles in total during a requested move for a WMATA station, where another editor wanted to move the article Forest Hills – 71st Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line). I wanted to give an example of how many such articles needed to be changed, so I did CtrlF then " – " to all the "Category:New York City Subway stations in XXX borough" and found about 131 articles. (it could be less, it could be more, since I only searched for spaced endashes and not for slashes; also, I may have counted cases like 34th Street – Penn Station (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) twice. Kylo Ren (talk) 23:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

And when the moving is done, there's still work to do in editing lots of other articles to get the style update; it won't be done any time soon, but eventually. Dicklyon (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. It will be a months-long process at best, but the link and style updates can be integrated into any subsequent edits. Kylo Ren (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I've notified the project at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_York_City_Public_Transportation#Unspacing_the_en_dashes so that if they want it to be controversial we can know sooner rather than later. Dicklyon (talk) 18:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Current sig

Hey epic,

I don't want to make too big a stink, and I can totally appreciate the Star Wars fandom, but I really don't think your current signature fulfills the guidelines to keep in mind when creating a custom signature, namely that an editor's username should still be identifiable from the signature. It's too easy for an editor not familiar with your work to think your username is actually "Kylo Ren", and be unable to find your user talk page or your contributions, which is the main reason for having a consistent username. Heck, I've seen you around here for years and I was even confused at first. It was fun, but I think it's time change it to something reflecting your actual username. oknazevad (talk) 20:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: It's fine, really. My alternate account is Kylo Ren, so there's no confusion (if they ping User:Kylo Ren like I just did, I'll still get the message). I guess I will change my signature back to what it was before March 2016, though. Thanks. (And by the way, this is actually not the first time I've been asked to change my signature. So I'm fine with this request.) epicgenius (talk) 21:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I had no idea that was you I was discussing with above... Dicklyon (talk) 06:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Yeah. It's either me or my alternate account you were discussing with. You don't even wanna know the third option... epicgenius (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Did you know nominations/Flushing – Main Street (IRT Flushing Line)

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Wouldn't it be great to unspace that dash before this goes through? Dicklyon (talk) 03:10, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: It's two articles that need to be unspaced, though. So, let's not move these articles right now, because it would further complicate things. Feel free to move other articles, though, like Fifth Avenue – 59th Street (BMT Broadway Line), Bedford Park Boulevard – Lehman College (IRT Jerome Avenue Line), etc. epicgenius (talk) 03:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking it would complicate things worse to wait. Get it done before a DYK is approved and it will be cleaner. Dicklyon (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Maybe you can ping Raymie, this DYK nomination's reviewer, about the name change. It seems that the nomination will be open for a while because I need to get two QPQs done, and it won't be until at least the end of the week. epicgenius (talk) 03:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Conducting the page move shouldn't affect the DYK. I had to do a capitalization page move in the middle of a DYK once and it didn't seem to cause problems (though the DYK dragged on for a while). Raymie (t • c) 04:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Raymie: So I guess it would be fine for Dicklyon or someone else to move the pages to the unspaced-endash version. Thanks for the input; I didn't know the page being nominated was allowed to be moved during a DYK. epicgenius (talk) 04:07, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

It's a minor enough move that it shouldn't derail things. Raymie (t • c) 04:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks; moved both to unspace the en dash. Dicklyon (talk) 06:11, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

So I guess everything is resolved, for now. epicgenius (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I am wondering why

you unwikilinked the cemetery in the Attilio Piccirilli article. It seemed like a useful wikilink to me, but I'd rather not undo your edit without discussing it with you first. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 06:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Carptrash: The cemetery is already linked elsewhere in the article. Linking it twice is overlinking, and I preferred not to do that, so I unlinked the second cemetery link. Regards, 12:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Pinging. (Sorry about the above, I made an error.) epicgenius (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

either way, I trust your judgement. Carptrash (talk) 04:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Unspacing the dashes

When you do edits like this, it's a good idea to also fix the spaced hyphen in the default sort spec to be unspaced. The other thing I've been doing is making the various spaced and unspaced em dashes and spaced hyphens into spaced en dashes, esp. in the external links. And being careful not to unspace the common cat links; those will be another major pain if we ever take on updating them. I usually start with replace-all of spaced en dashes, then manually put spaces back for the commons cat. Dicklyon (talk) 19:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Thank you for the advice. Though for that reason, I haven't been changing commons category links. I only do replace-all for the sections above the external links section, so some things in the external links can go untouched. Thanks again, epicgenius (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)