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Wikipedia as meditation, stress release, or temporary escape

Hi Clovermoss, I was sorry to read about your loss[1]. Grief is not an easy emotion and we mourn our most beloved pets as family. The loss of their physical presence and support can be just as difficult, they are pillars in our lives. I see that you are worried about your related increased wikipedia editing and I wanted to take a minute to offer my thoughts in the spirit that they may be of some help to you... Many many people use volunteer labor as a way of healthily dealing with painful and stressful things in their lives, as long as you think that your increased editing isn't having a negative effect on anyone on wikipedia or on your wellbeing I think you're ok. Finding a way to channel these feelings (even that feeling of not wanting to feel feelings) into something constructive is important, I'm not saying that wikipedia has to be that thing for you or the only thing but if this is the thing thats super cool and I wouldn't feel bad about it. My condolences again, Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Well she literally died this morning so I don't know what my edit rate will even look like. There's some other factors in the near future that'd make the feasibility of a wikibreak more difficult even if I wished to take one. But everything is still very fresh. I'm just thinking about how I reacted when one of the relatives died last summer and I thought that I'd want to take a wikibreak but then I didn't really end up taking one and just ended up editing more. But there was also a time when I was really depressed and I didn't edit at all for a year. I can't tell the future so I'm just going to be mindful and see where that takes me. I archived my talk page because it felt like I was doing something. Out of sight and out of mind. On to the next thing. I'm not sure if that makes sense?

A lot of my life has been very difficult and I do genuinely try to work through things productively. To some extent it's because life goes on and you just have to. I try to be in tune with when I feel things and why I do the things that I do. Sometimes I worry that I'm too open about this, to be quite frank. But I just want people to see and understand me, y'know? See that my heart is in the right place and that I'm just someone trying to do their best to make a difference in a crappy world. Being able to be productive can sometimes help me process things. Sometimes I become a bit of a workaholic even. Distraction is one of the best healthy coping mechanisms I have. It's a fine line between that and avoidance but I'm sure I'll be fine with time. It's okay to hurt and to process things.

Anyways, my cat was taken to the vet because she wasn't feeling well. I was hoping it wouldn't be bad news but it was. An aggressive form of breast cancer that was spreading into her lungs. She would continue to suffer and things would escalate really quickly. So she was put down like the vet suggested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, CM :-( Levivich (talk) 21:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Just know that I'm here for you alright? I know your future right now is intense. I feel like we have a similar mindset. I really want people to understand that I'm trying to do the right thing, but it's always a pressing worry that they don't. Anyway I'll be quiet so that you can get back to distracting yourself, because I don't want you to have any more emotional burdens in your life right now. You know yourself better than I do, so do whatever you feel is right. The Night Watch (talk) 23:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate all the support. But I wanted to reply directly to The Night Watch because I know you know that I see that you're always trying to do the right thing, even if you beat yourself up about mistakes. You're never a burden. Please take care of yourself, too. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

It's true that I don't take care of myself as best as I should sometimes. I had a conversation today about how poorly I've been eating and how I'm now underweight. But I feel like you're sometimes too harsh on yourself, like how you've been feeling shaky right now. The responses here alone show that people appreciate you. I don't want you to worry about what's to come, or to drown yourself emotionally by listening to the sufferings of others. But if you really think I won't create more pressure I'll be here for you in private. The Night Watch (talk) 04:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: I didn't know about the lack of eating. That honestly makes me even more concerned for you. Please try to take care of yourself and maybe find out how to access additional mental health resources in your community? It can honestly make a world of difference. I worry about you and want you to be successful in your life. You can always reach out to be in private if you need to. I'm here for you. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your loss. I hope your life gets better. --Rusty 🐈 03:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your loss. GrayStorm^{(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.)} 04:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Joe Chambers (museum creator)

Clovermoss

please help me out here. i can't take that much effort to hash out this issue. please note this article below, and let me know if i can use "(museum creator)". I would be REALLY HAPPY.

Margaret Anderson (museum creator)

this is the only accurate match to Joe's life work.

I am really frustrated to the max.

Thanks for your help. MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 23:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@MikeMARS52: My advice from last time is still applicable. What you need to do is start a move request and gain consensus for the move. Only being able to find one example of another disambiguator like that is another factor pointing in the direction that it probably would not be moved. As I said, I've participated in these types of these discussions before and it's just not a likely result. I suppose you found the technical aspect of starting a move request confusing? I can start one on your behalf if that's what's giving you issues. I get that you're frustrated but sometimes it helps to let things go. I once wrote an article on someone who was known for multiple things: Katherine Hughes (activist). I don't have to move the page to say everything she was known for. The purpose of disambiguation is to be able to tell her apart from the other people with her name. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Clovermoss

Thanks very much for your reply. I would very gratefully accept your offer to start the move.

Just to make sure why I feel the need to use "museum founder" - it is not an issue of the multiple things done in his life.

Rather, the idea that became the Musicians Hall of Fame and Museum was imaged as television program to feature session musicians who routinely got no credit for their contributions. The tv show idea failed due to cameras that were too expensive, and Joe lacked skills to produce a tv show. see reference 6 in Joe's article time stamp 18:49. This morphed into forming a brick and mortar museum. I couldn't find a specific date for this, but i would guess 2 yr prior to actual purchase of a location in November 2003. The museum opened to the public on June 6, 2006. This was a significant museum and attracted a large number of visitors.

Furthermore, in 2010 the City of Nashville seized (through eminent domain) and “expropriated” the property of the museum. According to Robert K Oermann the author of Joe’s obituary in the MusicRow newsletter “did not offer him enough money to relocate it.” (see reference 5)

I suggest that many people would have given up after the seizure by the City of Nashville. But Joe didn’t, and kept on, showing his commitment to the museum.

Joe, with the help of his wife, built the museum again. The new and larger museum was opened to the public on August 29, 2013. Joe was the CEO and curator for the museum until his death in 2022.

Clearly, this endeavor was far more significant than his other successful ventures (producing hit records, writing hit songs, selling guitars).

The museum was Joe's career for more time than his other ventures, and with far more impact on the music world, than any of the other aspects of his lifetime careers.

When you initiate the attempt for consensus, please show all other editors that “museum founder” is by far the most accurate description of Joe Chambers’ contributions.

My goal is to do just as you said at the end of your reply “The purpose of disambiguation is to be able to tell her apart from the other people with her name” This disambiguation is what people will expect when looking for Joe in Wikipedia!!

Thanks in advance for your help with this issue. MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 16:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I started a move discussion for you, see the talk page. Something I think I forgot to ask you beforehand (and should have) is whether or not you have a conflict of interest regarding Joe Chambers. If you do, you must declare it. Please see this guide. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Clovermoss🍀

No COI. I have done all of the work for free; a labor of love. I contacted the Museum and offered my work pro bono. offer was accepted.

MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	2,000 redirects reviewed is a lot! Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 13:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dreamy Jazz: Thanks! It's been nice seeing my name over at Wikipedia:Top new article reviewers lately and the backlog is crazy. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations!

See? I told you that you could do great things. I'm proud of you :) The Night Watch (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations for being the Wikimedian of the Year! --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Hip hip HUZZAH! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

HUZZAH! Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congrats! Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 18:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

You are a fantastic choice for the award. Congrats :) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Well-deserved, Youngest Wikimedian of the Year in History! Congrats! Levivich (talk) 18:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I knew she is a great Wikimedian, but the first?! Congrats! JuniperChill (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm the youngest recipient for the main award. Apparently there's been some younger folks in the other categories. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations on your award! Brocade River Poems 09:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Huzzah. TheBritinator (talk) 18:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congrats! Glad to witness you getting this award. It can be a game-changer! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: I just created a userbox if you wish to use it: {{User:Clovermoss/WOTY}}. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to this party, but I agree with everyone else. Any choice other than you would have made me upset. I say this as a 7-year editor. Scorpions1325 (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations!

	Wikimedian of the year
	A warm congratulations! I've seen your welcoming demeanor and a wonderful first time in Wikimania! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

+1, Congratulations! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Congrats Clovermoss! Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Well deserved. I still can't believe how much you went out of your way to help me with developing an article by bringing in outside people. Many thanks. Viriditas (talk) 21:56, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: That's the nice thing about knowing a lot of people, it makes it easier to collaborate. I'm glad I was able to help you. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well, and I will definitely repeat this in person when I get the chance. Daniel Case (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

• Yet another fan. After seeing you at WMNA Toronto I figured, we've got a grand future with Admins like this one. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Already said so in person but congratulations! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
• Very impressive. Congratulations. Cullen328 (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks Cullen328. You're a pioneer when it comes to mobile editing so your comment means a lot to me :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

  Your comment means a lot to me too. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow, congratulations! Yngvadottir (talk) 10:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Congrats, Clover! Certainly well-deserved. Sdkb ^talk 19:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Formal apology

Hello Clovermoss. Based on what you posted today, and based on doing some looking on my own, I have definitely concluded that you cannot be the person whom I suspected of being that banned user. (I still think that person is the real-life identity of that banned user, but I now know that this person cannot possibly be you. A helluva series of coincidences.) I apologize when I make a mistake, and I've made a mistake. My stated suspicions were wrong, and I admit that they were wrong. I want anyone who harbored suspicions based on anything that I said, to drop those suspicions. I know that my suspicions caused you to have some very serious unhappiness, and I am genuinely sorry for having caused that. I hope that you can put the unhappiness that you felt behind you. Best wishes, --Tryptofish (talk) 21:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the apology. This conversation definitely left me frustrated. I had a generally good impression of you until that happened and it just felt fundamentally unfair. That there was nothing I could do to prove my innocence. It also happened to be the first time I openly connected my username to a photo of myself, so it hurt a bit to have that openness not be able to resolve your concerns and then to see people joke about it after the fact like it was no big deal. Hopefully this whole situation is a learning experience. I think we have a lot to lose when it comes to casual accusations of sockpuppetry on the part of other editors. Genuine bad actors aren't going to stop at anything to get their way and making things harder for people who are here in good faith drives them away. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Pottery link

https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2024:Tours_and_Side_Events Here is page with link, down the page. they may be full, but maybe an exception? cheers, jh 188.117.181.37 (talk) 06:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the message but I read it a bit late. I ended up just going to the keynote but I think it was ultimately the best decision because it gave me some ideas about a future essay. It's still very much in the works but stay tuned :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Grimmonix74 on User:Grimmonix74 (08:33, 8 August 2024)

Hello how do create a user page and what is the best advice to starters and novice as myself --Grimmonix74 (talk) 08:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Grimmonix74. There's some information about userpages here. I'll leave a standard welcome message on your talk page and you can also see some additional resources above. Feel free to let me know if you have any specific questions. My main advice is to do just do your best and to be willing to listen to feedback. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (06:22, 9 August 2024)

Hello mentor,

Hope you doing well. I just wanted to get some advice from you, so I have been working on wiki for quite some time and recently my team raised a requirement to get our company published on wikipedia. Now I know it is important to declare myself as a part of the company if I am writing about it and also to write from a neutral perspective. Now it has been 7-8 years since the establishment of our company and I looked for citations too that will support the company article if I do write it (There aren't many independent sources, maybe 2 or 3. Rest are about the product that our SaaS is selling rn). Now the main struggle for me has been getting a new article approved. I am scared that Ill pour in all my efforts on this draft and then it will get rejected. Can you please guide me a little on the best way in which this can be done? I really believe I can rely on my mentor instead of the teahouse rn, I might get roasted there :_) --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 06:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rectech enthusiast. I'd encourage you to read this page about what to do if your boss wants you to edit Wikipedia. You should also read this guide about contributing with a conflict of interest. The struggle in getting an article approved would be exactly because you don't have those independent sources available because Wikipedia has notability guidelines for when companies can be included. Essentially, if those sources don't exist, there's not much you can do. I'd encourage you to refocus your efforts elsewhere. Let me know if there's any topics you might be interested on working on as a volunteer editor, I could direct you to something that is notable and you can try to expand. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, Thank you for your suggestions. So RN there is like no pressure to make this page, it was a suggestion/task that anyone can take up. Since I was active here I thought of picking it up, now after reading the resources that you share Ill also share the same with our team. Ill ask the team to focus more on getting recognized by independent sources organically, it might be worth the wait. Thanks Again! Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rectech enthusiast: Waiting organically is realistically the only option even if that might suck from your employer's perspective. While I'm here, now is a good time to tell you that there is a scam where people will contact people who have declined or deleted articles. If you ever get contacted by these scammers, please follow the advice that is at that page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeahh.. I remember reading about this on reddit, Thanks for sharing again! Ill take care of this :) Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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German Wikipedia community survey

Hi, we've just had a chat at Wikimania about a large community survey Wikimedia Deutschland has conducted last year and received more than 1,000 complete responses from participants. You can find backgrounds, summaries and the full report in this German project page. It was organized by my staff me who will be on vacation for the next two weeks. After that, I will be happy to help with translations, explanations or wherever help or context would be needed. Congratulations for your award! Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@DerHexer: Thank you, I appreciate this a lot. I think a thousand people is much more representative than 28. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from 3aec04 (15:06, 10 August 2024)

Is it possible to have edits that I made before creating an account have their creator changed from an IP to my account? --3aec04 (talk) 15:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@3aec04: There is no way to do that, unfortunately. You could create your user page and say "I used to be an IP editor that made x edits" but I'd recommend against giving the specific IP address for privacy reasons. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jadney (21:36, 10 August 2024)

I have managed to track down the owner of the photos and she has agreed to share them with a suitable CC license. Is this something I can do for her, or do I need to ask her to do it? --Jadney (talk) 21:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jadney. I'm frankly not sure as I've never had someone ask me this before. I'm glad that my previous answer gave you some information about the process. I'm assuming you didn't email those folks and instead just got her to give you the licensing permission herself? If you did email them and they told you to do this, I'd ask them what the next steps are. Otherwise I'll ping Red-tailed hawk because they're also an admin on Wikimedia Commons and probably understand the nuances surrounding these things better than I do. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! @Jadney: I would ask the owner to follow the instructions on Wikimedia Commons's VRT release generator. This should walk the individual through the process of getting the right people a copy of the copyright release, and also would ensure that the terms of the release are compatible with those that are acceptable on Wikimedia projects. If you have any questions, please feel free to follow up on my talk page. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I gave that advice the first time (see the above link). I'm guessing there isn't a way to do it yourself even with permission without going through that process? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Milton Hershey School

Hi Clovermoss, I work for Milton Hershey School. I see that you are a member of WP:WPSCH, so I hope you'll consider implementing the edits I suggested here. Thanks for your help, Megan at MHS (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Megan at MHS: I'll take a look within the next few days if no one else has done so. I appreciate that you have followed the rules and disclosed the paid editing on your user page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Megan at MHS: I've taken a look at the proposed changes and I think I'm going to leave it to someone else whose actually more experienced with these sorts of requests. Sorry for getting your hopes up here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand Clovermoss, thank you. Megan at MHS (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedian of the year?

Congratulations! A very well-deserved honour. Cremastra (talk) 17:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cremastra: Thank you. I hope to write a Signpost essay about everything in the near future. Let's just say I had no idea that my first trip outside of North America would be to Poland to receive an award for my activities on Wikipedia. Younger me would've been incredibly shocked if I could turn back time and tell her. I hope I can be a bridge between better relations between the WMF and the community so things don't end up being a Venn diagram like I talk about in my mobile editing essay. I'm really dedicated to trying to make things better for both sides of these conversations. In the future, do you think you could maybe tone down comments like the one you left Haley at the village pump? I see that you were kinder on the mediawiki page itself and I appreciate that. But it can be a bit hard for people from the foundation to seek community engagement voluntarily if people always yell at them whenever they ask for it. I'm not saying that was your intention here but if you read your comment back in an angry tone of voice, maybe you'll understand what I'm saying? Feel free to disagree with me on this if you'd like. Thanks, Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. You beat my guilt/embarrassment reflex, which would have kicked in about half an hour after your comment. :) Cremastra (talk) 19:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Yeah, congrats! Rusty 🐈 18:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Worrisome disruptor (time-sensitive but no worries)

Hello! Simply because you're an admin active at this particular moment, could you please check out the case about User:EAPie47 + the post at the bottom of WP:ANI I've made about it? They're about to get ECC and I'm worried about what they'll do with it. Remsense ‥ 诉 00:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense: I've sent you an email about this. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for your enormous contribution to the community, we need more women like you. Greetings from Quebec Wilfredor (talk) 02:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Wilfredor! Greetings from Ontario back. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin August Issue 1

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation over the first half of August 2024. Please help Translate.

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Special Wikimania issue This is a special Wikimania issue of the Bulletin. We'll be back to our regular format in the next issue

Hannah Clover (User:Clovermoss), Wikimedian of the Year 2024.

• Catch up on missed sessions of Wikimania Katowice or revisit your favourites directly from the program, or review the day-long streams on YouTube: Day 1 streams, Day 2 streams, Day 3 streams, Day 4 streams.
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• Catch up on Foundation-led sessions from Wikimania on safety and information integrity: Protecting Children on-Wiki: a Child Rights Solutions Workshop, Information Integrity during Elections: Collective effort to address mis and disinformation, Policy Advocacy Showcase: Stories of policy advocacy work in the movement and future trends.
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Question from Aravinth Selvam on User talk:Aravinth Selvam (01:32, 16 August 2024)

What can do in wikipedia as normal people? --Aravinth Selvam (talk) 01:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aravinth Selvam, I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you please clarify what you mean? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from PJJACOBS67 on Chino High School (19:30, 19 August 2024)

How do I edit someone on here? There's articles about this person. --PJJACOBS67 (talk) 19:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@PJJACOBS67: Could you be more specific about what exactly you're trying to edit? It's hard to answer your question without context. Please note that we have speccial rules for writing about living people as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Manutd48 (08:47, 20 August 2024)

hi! thank you.. is it acceptable to cite information from youtube? --Manutd48 (talk) 08:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Manutd48: Most of the time you wouldn't want to do that because it is a usergenerated source (unreliable because anyone can say anything). However, if you're citing a YouTube video from a reputable publisher (e.g. the New York Times has a YouTube channel), the fact that it's a video doesn't suddenly change its reliability. Does that make sense to you? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Congrats on your award!

[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn't realize we kept track of that sort of thing. 😅 I got a filling recently and my dentist ended up telling me that there was a Wikipedia club at his university. I think I might hide for a bit if people keep recognizing me. I do feel like it's my duty to mention that this publication didn't actually talk to me, they're just quoting me from the YouTube video the foundation put out of the opening ceremony. I was actually a bit surprised to randomly come across this piece. I suppose they wanted to be the first in the Niagara region to cover this? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

And I want you to know that I looked at your userpage first, so I knew I wasn't OUTING you ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I actually put that disclaimer up a few hours before I received the award because I never straight up told people my name before and wanted to avoid that weird dance of "we know who she is but can't say anything about it". Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Very helpful, meant I didn't have to ask:[3] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Is it true: you walked into your first conference and basically walked out an admin; you walked into your second conference and walked out Wikipedian of the Year? Do I have my facts straight? :-) Levivich (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right. WCNA 2023 was about a month before my RfA. I was pretty insistent on saying no at the time but in retrospect it probably had an influence on me. See my essay about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Like a boss 😎

Clover's future press interviews:

2025: "Yeah so this was my third conference, and some folks cornered me in a hotel lobby, and, well, I never expected to be named WMF CEO but I'm really looking forward to working with everyone..."

2030: "Well I saw this conference in Ottawa that looked cool so I decided to check it out, and I don't really know where this idea got started but needless to say it's an honor being elected Canada's next Prime Minister..."

2035: "I always wanted to go to New York, and they were having this neat conference at the UN so I decided to stop by, and someone said 'Hey, you'd make a great Secretary-General!'..." Levivich (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your faith in me but I doubt I'll end up in any of those three positions 😅. This was a very entertaining read, though. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

2040: "Greetings! As Planet Ambassador and on behalf of the people of Earth, let me say we are really excited to finally meet our neighbors. Our Interstellar Growth Team has been working on some awesome onboarding tools that I think you'll find both fun and educational..." Levivich (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sjk69 (22:06, 23 August 2024)

Hey, how do I create a new page? --Sjk69 (talk) 22:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sjk69, please see this guide. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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September 2024 at Women in Red

Women in Red | September 2024, Volume 10, Issue 9, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 316, 317 Online events: New: Women writers & their works | Geofocus: Islands A - H Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) | Translation contest 2024 (Jul, Aug, Sep) Announcements from other communities August 30 is the tenth anniversary of WikiProject Women writers! Tip of the month: Try her pen name when searching for sources, and remember to add her to any of these that apply: List of pen names, List of literary initials, and Category:Pseudonymous women writers. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

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Question from Khatuna Bagrationi (07:34, 27 August 2024)

Hello, I want to write some articles about Georgian law. I hope I have done everything right. --Khatuna Bagrationi (talk) 07:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Khatuna Bagrationi: Asking before you try is a good first step. :) I'll leave some links on your talk page that may help and then there's also newbie central at the top of this page. I'm always here if you have specific questions as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from HaniehFattahi (13:03, 27 August 2024)

Hi, I am a physics prof and would like to make a page for myself. How can I do it? --HaniehFattahi (talk) 13:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

(Not clovermoss) @HaniehFattahi Editors are generally discouraged from writing about themselves on Wikipedia. Sohom (talk) 14:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@HaniehFattahi: To add a bit more to what Sohom said, there's this page that explains the best practices for editors with a conflict of interest. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

A terrifying "What if?" scenario

This is drifting a bit off center of the conversation at WT:RFA about too few admins, which is why I'm posting here on your talk page.

Consider; what if Google stopped prioritizing Wikipedia results in SERPs? This isn't far fetched. Quite a number of businesses have been destroyed as a result of Google's various updates over the years to their core engine. Google has, of late, been increasing the number of core algorithm updates per year. Imagine Google deciding that Wikipedia is no longer a reliable resource, and no longer connects Wikipedia to the Google knowledge graph. Imagine the hit to Wikipedia traffic. Imagine if Google further decides to deprioritize Wikipedia search results as not being authoritative.

The impacts of such a change in SERPs for Wikipedia would be absolutely catastrophic. Fewer editors, fewer administrators, smaller community, and ...most importantly... dramatically less income. A worst case scenario; The WMF goes bankrupt, and Wikipedia becomes static resource, with updates not allowed.

Unthinkable? It's happened to companies before that have relied on Google search results as their main footprint in the world. At some point, when we don't have enough administrators to maintain the project, Google might make such a decision. Horrifying, no? --Hammersoft (talk) 15:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

You might be interested in watching this Wikimania session where Maryana, Selena, and Lisa actually talked a bit about this. They didn't really get into our declining number of admins but they did talk about what might happen if less people are using Google to access Wikipedia. I've also heard a similar argument when I went to WCNA 2023 and listened to Sue Gardner's keynote. It's not really unthinkable to me even if I'm less doom and gloom about it than other folks. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what can realistically be done about it, though,other than the wmf saving money. We do not have control over Google's decisions or the ability to insert links to Wikipedia from elsewhere to shore up traffic. (t · c) buidhe 18:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Far as I can see most of us who have considered the possibility through the years have decided there's little we could do about it except maintain and advance our overall quality which is what we want anyway. So, no worry about whether Zeus will strike us down with lightning; either it happens or it doesn't. like this fellow Jim.henderson (talk) 20:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Alfred DH (16:54, 27 August 2024)

Hi Clovermoss - apparently you have been assigned as my mentor! I am an amature mycologist with a focus on coprophilous fungi. --Alfred DH (talk) 16:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Alfred DH, that's nice to hear! I'd suggest checking out Wikipedia:WikiProject Fungi because that'd probably align with your interests. I'll leave some helpful links on your talk page and I'm always here if you have any specific questions. There's also some additional resources at the top of this page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss, thank you very much! I'll investigate those links. Alfred DH (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from MyMelodyLuv (05:28, 29 August 2024)

Hey I just wanted to add a person to Wikipedia, my father he is a known figure and realized there is no Wikipedia article on him. How do I do that? --MyMelodyLuv (talk) 05:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi MyMelodyLuv, please see our guide for editors with a conflict of interest. In short, it's highly discouraged that you create such an article yourself. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

It is highly discouraged yet non prohibited correct? So if I choose to do so anyway seeing that it's an about me on him in which I have the most information on him, how do I start it? MyMelodyLuv (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@MyMelodyLuv: Yes, it is technically possible even if people will tell you that is not a good idea. If you decide to do this, please read this page (and the one I linked above). It's highly recommended that you submit your draft through the articles for creation process where another person will review your draft to see if it complies with our notability guidelines for people. Feel free to come back if you have further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin August Issue 2

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation over the second half of August 2024. Please help translate

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Upcoming and current events and conversations Talking: 2024 continues

• Language Community meeting (August 30 at 15:00 UTC).
• Cross-Regional Grantee Partner Learning Conversation Part 1 (August 31 at 07:00 UTC, in English, French, and Chinese Mandarin).
• The Wikimedia+Libraries Convention 2025 will take place in Mexico City from January 15-17, 2025. The scholarship application deadline is August 31.
• ESEAP Community Call (September 8 at 07:00 UTC).

Annual Goals Progress on Infrastructure See also newsletters: Wikimedia Apps · Growth · Research · Web · Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia · Tech News · Language and Internationalization · other newsletters on Mediawiki.org

• Highlights of the Product & Technology department's recent work in improving the user experience.
• Editor tools related to references & categories and more tech updates on the latest Tech News.
• Outreachy (a paid, remote three-month internship to support underrepresented groups in tech) is open. Mentors should submit projects before September 11 at 16:00 UTC (more info).
• The Campaign Events extension is now available on Meta-Wiki, Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, and Swahili Wikipedia, and can be requested in other language wikis.
• The Campaigns teams would like to learn more about how your communities do online collaboration such as WikiProjects, please take this Google Form survey or share examples of successful collaborations on Meta Wiki.
• Editors using the iOS Wikipedia app who have more than 50 edits can now use the Add an Image feature. This feature presents opportunities for small but useful contributions to Wikipedia.
• Applications for the Product and Technology Advisory Council (PTAC) are still open until September 16.

Annual Goals Progress on Equity See also a list of all movement events: on Meta

• Central Asian community members share their thoughts on Wikimania 2024.
• Take a look at updates on new feature developments and improvements in various language-related technical projects in the July 2024 edition of the Language and internationalization newsletter.
• The Conference and Events Fund is open for submission until September 2.

Annual Goals Progress on Safety & Integrity See also blogs: Global Advocacy blog · Global Advocacy Newsletter · Policy blog

• Meet the Wikimedia Foundation Global Advocacy Team.

Board and Board committee updates See Wikimedia Foundation Board noticeboard · Affiliations Committee Newsletter

• Some next steps on a movement charter: A message from Wikimedia Foundation CEO, Maryana Iskander, Chair of Board of Trustees, Nataliia Tymkiv, and Chair of Governance Committee, Dariusz Jemielniak.
• Elections for four community-and-affiliate elected seats on the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation will be held from September 3 to September 17. To learn more about the candidates, watch this short "Meet the Candidates" presentations.

Other Movement curated newsletters & news See also: Diff blog · Goings-on · Wikimedia World · Signpost (en) · Kurier (de) · other newsletters:

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WikiCup 2024 August newsletter

The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:

• Generalissima (submissions) with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 7 good articles, and 13 did you know nominations;
• Arconning (submissions) with 791 points, mostly from 2 featured lists, 8 good articles, 4 did you know nominations, and plenty of reviews;
• AirshipJungleman29 (submissions) with 718 points, mostly from a high-multiplier featured article on Genghis Khan and 2 good articles; and
• BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 714 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Susanna Hoffs, 2 featured lists, and 3 good articles.

Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 in the news credits, and at least 333 did you know credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed during Round 5, which starts on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Remember to claim your points within 14 days of earning them, and importantly, before the deadline on 31 October.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)