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Pillow Academy

Are you able to provide a link to your source for this edit? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I provided a citation to the newspaper article. The text is only available from private databases.

I removed it. By definition, an editorial is not a WP:RS. The point is already very well made that this was and possibly is a seg academy. John from Idegon (talk) 04:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

West High School (Knoxville, Tennessee)

I don't know why you undid User:John from Idegon here [1]. The cited ref gives the total attendance at 1355, the number of Asian/Pacific islanders as 19, and the number of Blacks as 360. The original rounded calculations of 1.4% Asian/Pacific islanders and 26.6% Blacks are correct. If you are going to cite WP:CALC you might want to actually check the calculations. Meters (talk) 02:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I feel like I should go back to high school. Thanks for catching my mistake. Billhpike (talk) 02:49, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Today's discussion of segregation

On NPR recently I've heard a lot of discussion of segregation all over the country, with emphasis on the north, as if the north is peculiar. Gerrymandering of school districts, carving out small districts, is going on all over the place. I hope WP is a source for the journalists who are writing this stuff. In the Red Clay region there are still 100% white schools. They have just floated under the radar, choosing not to report to the National Center for Education Statistics. Rhadow (talk) 16:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Billhpike -- Check this one out Texas Christian Academy founded 1972. Current numbers 3 of 52 (6%) in a town that is 22% African-American. Rhadow (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Wow! What an investigator. How about Steward in Richmond VA. 1972. Rhadow (talk) 22:35, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything except for sports scores and wedding announcements. Billhpike (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Do we have sufficient references to substantiate Trinity Christian Academy (Addison, Texas) ? YUP

How about Saint James School (Montgomery, Alabama) ?

Like most private schools from that time period, Sant James was racially discriminatory school, but appears not to have been founded with the specific intent of avoiding desegregation. For example, it included a non-discrimination statement in its advertising in the late 1960s, well before it was mandated by the IRS. Billhpike (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Saint James took a case, along with Montgomery Academy, to the Supreme Court. I'd say that qualifies. Rhadow (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Can you help with Central Alabama Academy?

Most citations are not explicit in calling out this school’s segregationist intentions. I found a biography of a judge that was more explicit, so I added it to the list. Google books only has a snippet view of the source, so I waited until my university library was able to get the book from the overflow shelves. I try to avoid relying on Google Books snippets as the sole source for a reference. Billhpike (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

• Here is another case: Desoto County Academy. It was started as Ark Academy. The cleaned up version is that it was started to teach biblical literalism. The founder was a member of the Citizens' Councils. That's proof enough for me -- and I expect others.
  There is a lot of ex post facto history writing going on. Rhadow (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Billhpike -- It looks like Hammond School (South Carolina) will be a test case for the segregation academy series of articles. And now the fight is betwixt two of them. Let's watch on the sidelines and see what happens to the school with ten championships. Oh, I nominated Category:Historically segregated white schools in the United States for deletion. Rhadow (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

The Jackson Preparatory School article has had similar issues. It is imporant to remember that Wikipedia is not a battleground. We are here to write an encyclopedia. Billhpike (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Stratford Academy was edited with weasel words and tagged. WP Manual says something like simple declarative sentences without euphemism. Needs a look. I don't care if the simple, declaratory sentence goes into the History section. Let's see if Reggie Shuford stays. Rhadow (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Attention to detail and references. Rhadow (talk) 13:27, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Christian and segregation

Hello Billhpike -- I think you're tickling the dragon's tail when you discuss the nexus of Segregation academy and Christian schools. FWIW, you are right. There is a massive dose of hypocrisy where these schools are concerned. To get tuition grants in the 1960s, these schools had to claim that they were non-denominational, which they did (and still do). An examination of details showed that many were church-sponsored or on church property.
This is the same fight as between American Baptist Convention and Southern Baptist Convention. If you intend to write about it, the sources bettor be bulletproof, because we aren't talking about events sixty years ago anymore. Rhadow (talk)

Hello Billhpike -- I was reading the Briarcrest Christian School article and website and had this thought:

I wanted to know about the use of the term non-denominational in the descriptions of schools. Starting in the 1960s, states and the IRS required a school to certify that it was non-denominational for certain benefits. In that usage, it was intended to differentiate these schools from parochial, i.e. Roman Catholic. The aim was at that time to prevent public benefits from going to a religious institution. I also looked at Non-denominational. From these schools' perspectives, Nondenominational Christianity is what they are talking about. When you read the mission statements of these schools, it's not as if they are describing undifferentiated beliefs, but only unaffiliated so they don't get in trouble. When a school writes, "We believe in the Scripture of the Old and New Testaments as verbally inspired by God, and inerrant in the original writings, and that they are of Supreme and final authority in faith and life," it sounds pretty denominational to me. Perhaps a mention of the legal definition of non-denominational would help.

The more segregation academy stories I read, the more I see a pattern: Parents want option, set up school in church, then build a real school on the church's "back 40." All the while, they are telling the state and the IRS they are non-denominational. I'm seeing a lot of "wink wink nudge nudge" going on. Rhadow (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Amplituhedron

Please explain why you regard the amplituhedron as a medical topic? In your edit comment undoing my citation you remarked that "The New Scientist should not be used for medical articles." Note that WP:MEDRS is a guideline and not a policy, and that New Scientist is often cited by science articles for overview information. Also why, in your previous edit comment, do you describe a respected science writer's work as a "press release"? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. Amplituhedron is not a medical topic, so WP:MEDRS does not apply.

As for my comment as a "press release", I conflated the The New Scientist with Science Daily. I made a mistake, and I apologize.

I still think that it is inappropriate to cite The New Scientist per WP:SCIRS. The popular press is not a reliable source on String theory. I will discuss more on the article talk page.

Billhpike (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

We seem to be there now. Thank you for your time and trouble in fixing the bad stuff and still listening to others. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 02:54, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk: Hammond School, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. See this. Let's not do that again, ok? John from Idegon (talk) 05:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

That was’t my intent (hit save at wrong time) but of course it is not an excuse. Billhpike (talk) 10:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: It appears that this bug was what caused me to edit your comment. Billhpike (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

East Holmes Academy

What can I do to help the DYK nomination? Rhadow (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rhadow: Thanks for your help in creating the page. It could probably use a copy edit, including the transcribed sources Billhpike (talk) 10:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the first alt would flow better if you added his wikilinked name ahead of "former NFL player". A third hook could be drawn from the last section on being in a former black school, and boy oh boy would it ever be nice if you could find some details on their move there. Given the attitude in that part of the country at that time, I could see a paper running a fully illustrated article of people scrubbing wearing rubber gloves, with all sorts of ridiculous quotes. You guys are doing a great job. John from Idegon (talk) 11:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Boy, would I like to read the archives of the Holmes County Herald. It was established in 1959 as the weekly paper of the county chapter of the White Citizens Council, founded to resist integration of public schools and other elements of the civil rights movement. (copied from Holmes County, Mississippi) Rhadow (talk) 13:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
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Florida Christian School

You'd think fifty years would be long enough to clear the bad spirits out of a school. FCS was founded in 1968. It haven't found it on any lists yet, but that's simply a matter of time. In 2017, the school is selling bulletproof Kevlar inserts for kids' backpacks. Unbelievable~ Rhadow (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rhadow: I did some research a few weeks ago, but the school's name is so generic that it is hard to find references. Billhpike (talk) 21:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

West, Mississippi

I notice you changed West from a town to a city. I was only able to find one official source from about 15 years ago that called it a town. Do you have a source the states it is a city? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: No, I do not. I was trying to the make article consistent with the lead and I was biased since I’m from a state that only has cities. Thanks for cleaning up the article. Billhpike (talk) 04:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Central Academy (Mississippi) closure

@Rhadow:When I recently traveled to Macon, Mississippi to get a photograph of Central Academy, I noted that it was somewhat in a state of disrepair, but school was out, most of the grass was mown and there were a couple of CA buses parked on the property so I thought nothing of it. Then today I found a reference that it had closed in 2017. The website is still operational, but the info is old. They have a facebook page, but nothing posted in a couple years. Thought the two of you would be interested. Jacona (talk) 22:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• @JaconaFrere: Thanks. You gotta feel for this region. Noxubee County has half the population it had in 1940. That means no chance to start and build a small business. Folks drive thirty miles to a Walmart, which I suspect means Main Street, Macon is shuttered. And they are still fighting over voting in Noxubee County, Mississippi. Rhadow (talk) 11:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Rhadow:Macon downtown wasn't so bad, but you wouldn't believe the pictures I took of Crawford.Jacona (talk) 11:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
    • @JaconaFrere: Thanks for grabbing the picture. I’m not surprised that CA is closed. The fact that such a poor community was able to support a segregated private school for so long goes to show the depth of segregationist beliefs in rural Mississippi. Billhpike (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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PrivateSchoolReview as a source for enrollment data

I was looking at another edit where the edit summary stated that you had pruned a PrivateSchoolReview.com source, but this edit to Tucson Hebrew Academy with the edit summary "PrivateSchoolReview.com publishes information provided by schools and is thus not a reliable source. Use NCES for enrollment data" is more comprehensive in describing the purpose of these edits.

I agree that NCES data is always preferable to PrivateSchoolReview, but ultimately both sources are getting their data from the schools themselves. While I would always prefer the NCES data -- and I have added it to probably more than 1,000 articles, public and private -- sometimes the NCES does not have data for a school, as with Gloucester County Christian School and Tucson Hebrew Academy. Some of these private schools have data in sporadic years and some never seem to have data on NCES, perhaps a boycott.

I haven't been able to find the discussion you mention at WP Schools (and I'd appreciate the link), but why not use PSR in places like this where NCES enrollment data is not available? In both cases it comes directly from the school, and I can assure you that no one from NCES is counting students by age, race and school lunch status. Alansohn (talk) 13:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alansohn: See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools#privateschoolreview.com. I’ll pause my pruning until you have had a chance to contribute to that conversation. Billhpike (talk) 13:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Franklin Road Academy

Hi Billhpike, could you have a look at this? A new editor is contesting the history you've added. Since the content derives from local newspaper articles of the 70s and 80s, I'm having trouble finding the sources. Thanks, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

@2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63: I’ve added transcribed text to verify the citation used in Franklin Road Academy.

Terrific. Thank you, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:13, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Applogies

I want to applogize for my behavior earlier this month and thank you for your help. Learning this platform was fustrating at first but I think I'm getting the hang of it. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:06, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jamesharrison2014: I’ll also apologize. Initially, it seemed like you were only editing for WP:PROMO, but your recent efforts have helped expand the encyclopedia. I hope you stay and continue to expand journalism related articles. Billhpike (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Montgomery Academy

The 10% I didn’t make up, but I can’t find it. On their Web site is a posting http://www.montgomeryacademy.org/uploaded/documents/about_us/NAIS_-.pdf saying that schools such of theirs “typically” have 15-20% “persons of color” (interesting way to put it).

As for the tuition skewing the enrollment, I thought that was obvious. I don’t have a source. Take it out if it bothers you. deisenbe (talk) 15:43, 23 December 2017 (UTC) Moved from User:Billhpike

Thanks

For dealing with the sock puppetry. By the way, do you happen to use mass rollback? Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 03:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: I have the WP:ROLLBACK permission, if that if what you are referring to. Billhpike (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I was talking about mass rollback, which is a script that is useful in dealing with cases like this. But mine is seemingly not working right now, so I was just wondering. Never mind :-) Alex Shih (talk) 03:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: Thanks for protecting the articles. Did you consider protecting Overseas Shipholding Group, which this user also seems to be obsessed with? Billhpike (talk) 04:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected, thanks. WP:RBI is applicable in this case, and just let me know anytime if I have missed something. Best, Alex Shih (talk) 04:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: The IP 72.28.128.154 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has also been used by Flamingoflorida. On Tuesday, @NeilN: blocked it for 72 hours for sock puppetry. The other IP ranges used by Flamingoflorida have much longer blocks (eg: 2600:387:9:3::0/112 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))). Since it appears that 72.28.128.154 is not used by any other editors, perhaps the block on 72.28.128.154 should be extended? Billhpike (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Alex Shih and Billhpike -- I didn't get the message before about the ignore part. A dollar to a donut we end up playing whack-a-mole again. Please consider blocking 1983 Israel bank stock crisis, too. Rhadow (talk) 11:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected. Alex Shih (talk) 11:40, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Learning....

Hi Bill-

I THINK- not to be confused with KNOW- that I am in the correct place at this time. The edits made earlier to Harding Academy's page were good faith edits made to more accurately reflect the current culture and mission of the school. Because I do have a conflict of interest with the school and am a community member here, how would you advise that we balance out the claims of segregation school with a piece of information about, e.g. the Statement of Inclusivity? I ask not to be contrary but to learn how to navigate the platform and rules of Wikipedia. KE (talk) 16:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@KatnissEverbean: You can request an edit by using the {{Request Edit}} template on the page Talk:Harding Academy (Nashville). Billhpike (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Confused

I'm sorry. My edit was meant to be just an update to "Mississippi Association of Independent Schools" from the older "Mississippi Private School Association." Did I do more than that? Since they changed the editing process, I have trouble verifying my editing.

Thanks, Sizemark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sizemark (talk • contribs) 02:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sizemark: I confused you with another editor on a different article. When I realized my mistake, I deleted the comment from your talk page. Thanks for updating the article and sorry for the confusion. Billhpike (talk) 02:42, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Coffey v. State Educational Finance Commission (1969)

It's all queued up. There are now several articles that mention the case. All they need is an article and some wikilinks. John Cooper Godbold, William Harold Cox of Indianola (I think), and Dan Monroe Russell Jr. (I think) have articles already. Joseph Turner Patterson does not (yet!). Rhadow (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Rhadow: I’m waiting for access to Hein online so I can use law reviews for citations. Billhpike (talk) 12:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Joseph Turner Patterson has an article. Rhadow (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Niche

I want to dump an assertion that cites Niche.com. It's Yelp for school. Do you agree? Rhadow (talk) 16:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rhadow: I agree Nich.com is a week source. Niche.com was mentioned in a discussion about privateschoolreview.com. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools#privateschoolreview.com. Billhpike (talk) 16:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Cabarrus Academy

Now known as Cannon School started in 1969. It'll take a good Googler, because there is a new school in the area Cabarrus Charter Academy. Rhadow (talk) 17:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Vanguard College Preparatory School in Texas Rhadow (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

This is a source of sources, [2] for several in arkansas plus a few boycott schoolsJacona (talk) 02:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Faith Academy (Mobile, Alabama)

You did some editing on this one a couple years ago. Did you find references? Rhadow (talk) 13:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rhadow: This is another case were the name is so generic that it is hard to find sources. Billhpike (talk) 01:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Port Huron Northern High School

Hi, Bill. Thanks for your edits to the above. I see you have a newspapers.com account. Is there any chance you could find a source for the overblown theatre geek rich section on the auditorium from the Port Huron paper and cut it down to a sentence or two? Typical student owned article it appears, and the radio station is still carrying too much WEIGHT. I'm in the process of adding demographics, Athletics and some academics to it for balance. Thanks for whatever you can do. I'm operating with some really poor equipment right now and am planning on upgrading in April. After that, I'll get my own newspapers account. John from Idegon (talk) 04:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Where you aware that the WP:The Wikipedia Library has a program to give editors free access to WP:Newspapers.com? Billhpike (talk) 08:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I pruned and cited the performaning arts center. I’m sure the students will be delighted to discover The performing arts center is almost identical to the one at Port Huron High School, but the interior colors are different Billhpike (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Bill. Yes, I am aware of the free access available, but I hate to waste the foundation's money. I do virtually all my edits now on a 40 dollar smart phone, so anything very extensive is out of the question. Upgrades are coming soon. Athletics section is done. Now a quick run in reFill and off to bed. John from Idegon (talk) 08:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Franklin Road Academy

Discussion moved to Talk:Franklin Road Academy

Hello, I'm reading the Wikipage of Franklin Road Academy. There are edits that I'm suggesting which better reflect the time period and specific history, especially as it relates to race and segregation. States: Franklin Road Academy (FRA) is a private, college preparatory, co-educational, Christian school for students in grades Pre-K3-12. FRA was founded in 1971 as a segregation academy in response to the court ordered desegregation of public schools. Comment: The "FRA was founded in 1971 as a segregation academy in response to the court ordered desegregation of public schools." doesn't belong in the intro but in the history. The first paragraph would be a reflection of the school as it currently not as a history. It is a duplicate to state otherwise. Suggested edit: Franklin Road Academy (FRA) is a private, college preparatory, co-educational, Christian school for students in grades Pre-K3-12 located in Nashville, TN. The mission of the school is to provide a challenging educational experience in an inclusive Christian community with an unwavering commitment to develop leaders of integrity and purpose. The page states: The 1970s Franklin Road Academy was founded in 1971 as a segregation academy in response to the court ordered racial integration of public schools.[1] FRAs leader's claimed the school was established to provide a sound, Christian education in a safer environment, but the sociologist Jennifer Dyer has argued that the school's stated objectives were simply a "guise" for the school's actual objective of allowing parents to avoid enrolling their children in racially integrated public schools.[2] FRA’s first mascot was the Rebels and the school prominently flew the confederate flag.[4] Comment: As the desegregation of schools did happen in 1970's and FRA started during this time it is good to put this in the history. However, to state as a fact that the school formation was due to the response to the court is subjective given Mr. Bradshaw, who was the founded of the school,stated otherwise in the article. You can't prove that was the reason. Although it does state via Bradshaw's statement, it is listed as a fact "as a segregation academy". The school states the formation in the article and how it was formed not the person who typed the Wiki page. Suggested Edit: Franklin Road Academy was founded in 1971 under a charter with the First Christian Church and was rechartered in 1982 as an independent, coeducational, college preparatory school with a Christian emphasis. The school was founded in 1971 during a time of segregation conflict in Nashville, Tennessee. The formation of these schools are of great debate after the federal mandated court ruling to segregate schools in Nashville. "It was a scary time," said student Joy Smith. "There was ugliness. People saying things. ... It's hard to conceive how awful it was for people." https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2017/09/08/desegregation-nashville-schools-and-bombing-followed-60-years-ago/637665001/. FRA states that the formation of the school was to provide a sound, Christian education in a safer environment but the sociologist Jennifer Dyer has argued that the school's stated objectives were simply a "guise" for the school's actual objective of allowing parents to avoid enrolling their children in racially integrated public schools. Regardless of the opinions, the facts are that tensions were high in Nashville as it related to busing and desegregation of schools. Mascot: FRA’s first mascot was the Rebels and the school prominently flew the confederate flag.[4] The mascot and flag were specifically chosen because of Confederate Gen. Stephen D. Lee's defense of Peach Orchard Hill on December 16th, 1984, as part of Gen. John B. Hood's right wing at the Battle of Nashville. Source (The Tennessean August 29th, 1991). However, later in 1991, the school stopped flying the Confederate flag and changed its mascot, realizing the racial impact on the minority community at large. From the Article: The Tennessean (Nashville, TN): 06 Aug 1980 The page states: Bradshaw acknowledged that the school’s Confederate iconography meant that blacks "may have thought" that they were unwelcome at the school, but that financial concerns were the main reason few black students. The article states that Bradshaw said "They may have thought that, but in time, that will change.". Leaving out the entire quote out changes the context of the statement. Leaving out the "but in time, that will change.". My suggested edit: Bradshaw acknowledged that the school's Confederate iconography meant that the black community "may have thought" that they were unwelcome at the school "but in time, that will change." The page states: Bradshaw said a secondary reason for the lack of black of enrollment was the "proven" fact that blacks "have been inclined to stay in their own groups" Comment: The article states: Bradshaw said" "I think money," is the reason Franklin Road Academy had only one black applicant in its first seven years, said Bradshaw, who added that while the student did not pass an admission test, "We hoped he would." "Also, I think it's been proven that they themselves have been included to stay in their own groups, as was shown here by the Pearl situation. Bradshaw said, referring to black community efforts to maintain that public school. Mr. Bradshaw as referring to the merging of Pearl school with Cohn (today called Pearl Cohn). At the time, Pearl was Nashville's only black school. If you go back to that time period and history, many blacks were very upset about the merge of Pearl and Cohn. Many blacks felt that the school should stay as is due to his heritage as Nashville primary black school (https://theundefeated.com/features/the-legacy-of-pearl-high-school-and-its-success-during-segregation/). To say the least, during that time in Nashville was of high tension. As the article states, that was what he was referring, not to imply that all blacks are included to stay in groups. Placing "proven" in quotes is taking the article out of context and missing the historical significance. In addition, he never stated it was a secondary reason. The article clearly is his opinion that the reason Franklin Road Academy didn't have a black student primary was because of money. As you know, during the time period of 1970's most private schools didn't have large financial budgets nor the ability to provide buses for transportation of students. This was a contributing factor during this time period. Today, budgets are better including larger financial aid money available. Times have changed. Thankful for that. My edit suggestion: Bradshaw stated that the reason for the lack of black enrollment at Franklin Road Academy was money which contributed to FRA only having one black student apply during the first seven years of the school. Sidebar: If may be good for someone to write a WikiPedia page on Pearl school in Nashville exploring the Pearl and Cohn merge and the tensions of merging as it impacted the black community. I would read it. The 1980s Inquiries from parents to FRA tripled in 1980 after court rulings expanded desegregation busing in Nashville.[5] At the time, only one of Franklin Road’s 745 students was black.[4] In March 1981, the entire board of directors and headmaster Bill Bradshaw both resigned in a dispute with First Christian Church, which owned the building used by the school. Football coach Gene Andrews was appointed interim headmaster.[6] On June 3, 1982, Franklin Road Academy became its own separate organization incorporated under the name Franklin Road Academy, Inc. Following its incorporation, FRA received accreditation from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.[citation needed] Tennessean Jan 31st, 1980 The article you are referring is taking the topic of segregation out of context. You are saying that the inquiries (which does state in the article) have increased due to the court rulings. All of that is true but the next statement implies that the school's increased enrollment has something to do with the number of students who were black at the school. I have to say the article is weak in that argument. The same article states that "However, the squeeze on private school admissions began before desegregation become a topic of discussion this winter at the school board and subject of controversy in Davidson County." So there are both sides to the argument. If you consider the time period, the increased applications were likely (as stated in the article) due to Davidson County (Nashville Schools) ruling but the reason for lack of minorities were the same reasons as in 1970's--Lack of affordability and culture. Suggested Edit: Enrollment inquiries from parents to FRA tripled in 1980 after court rulings expanded desegregation busing in Nashville.[5] Much like other private schools in Nashville, Franklin Road Academy's minority enrollment remained non-existent as only one student was enrolled at the school in 1980. According to the article, Mr. Bradshaw stated that the reason was "The Money" was the primary reason for the lack of applications which lead to lack of enrollment. States: In March 1981, the entire board of directors and headmaster Bill Bradshaw both resigned in a dispute with First Christian Church, which owned the building used by the school. Football coach Gene Andrews was appointed interim headmaster.[6] On June 3, 1982, Franklin Road Academy became its own separate organization incorporated under the name Franklin Road Academy, Inc. Following its incorporation, FRA received accreditation from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.[citation needed] Suggested edit: In March 1981, the entire board of directors and headmaster Bill Bradshaw both resigned in a dispute with First Christian Church, which owned the building used by the school. The dispute involved whether the First Christian Church leaders or the school leaders should set school policies. One area of friction was whether the church and school should separate. The school's Football coach Gene Andrews was appointed interim headmaster.[6] On June 3, 1982, Franklin Road Academy became its own separate organization incorporated under the name Franklin Road Academy, Inc. Following its incorporation, FRA received accreditation from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.[citation needed] https://www.newspapers.com/image/112515411/ states: The 1990's The school stopped flying the Confederate flag in 1991.[8] Headmaster Bill Campbell said the flag was removed to ensure all students and visiting sports teams felt welcome and comfortable at the school.[9] In a guest editorial in The Tennessean, former FRA football coach and interim headmaster Gene Andrews criticized the change, accusing FRA of “turning its back on its heritage” and ignoring the sacrifices made in support of the “just cause” of southern independence.[10] Suggest Edit: The school stopped flying the Confederate flag in 1991.[8] Headmaster Bill Campbell said the flag was removed to ensure all students and visiting sports teams felt welcome and comfortable at the school. FRA is located on the site of a Civil War battle fought in Nashville. Campbell states that the school has collected many battle relics. But, he added, "as far as the Confederate flag", we do not and have not for several years displayed that as our image.[9] In a guest editorial in The Tennessean, former FRA football coach and interim headmaster Gene Andrews criticized the change, accusing FRA of “turning its back on its heritage” and ignoring the sacrifices made in support of the “just cause” of southern independence during the battle of . He stated the change was not related to race. The school disagreed.[10] In 1997, FRA stopped using the Rebels as its athletics mascot. The school has begun to tone down use of the mascot in the early 1990s to make the school more welcoming to minorities. The FRA football coach told The Tennessean that the retirement of the mascot was partially because of the unease the Confederate imagery caused to Dennis Harrison, a former NFL player who was the first black assistant coach at the school.[11] Suggested Edit: In 1997, FRA stopped using the Rebels as its name and became the Big Blue. The school had begun to tone down use of the mascot in the early 1990s to make the school more welcoming to minorities. Assistant principal Gary Clarke stated that "We felt, of course, there was a lot of tradition at the school with the Rebels, but we also have to realize that the Rebel flag may be offensive to some." School official stated that the final move was to attract a more diverse study body". The FRA football coach, George Weicker told The Tennessean that the retirement of the mascot was partially because of the unease the Confederate imagery caused to Dennis Harrison, a former NFL player who was the first black assistant coach at the school. Weicker states that he made it a point to ask Dennis how he felt about it and what it meant to him. He told me it made him feel "uncomfortable". [11] The 2000's Add: In 2013-2014, Franklin Road Academy has enrolled 712 students. Fourteen percent are students of color and the school helps to promote economic diversity through the awarding of more than $1 million in financial aid. Source: http://www.wickenden.com/new-opportunity-statement-franklin-road-academy/ In February of 2014, Sean Casey became the next Head of School for Franklin Road Academy. Source: http://www.wickenden.com/sean-casey-to-lead-franklin-road-academy/ Franklin Road Academy opened a new innovation science lab that not only extends use to students at FRA but also students in Metro Nashville Public Schools (MNPS). The lab is outfitted with items that include a robotics arena, two 3D printers, a laser cutter and a 3D carver. Nashville Mayor Megan Barry helped dedicate the space. Franklin Road Academy head of school states that "it's a great opportunity to build a collective educational opportunity for everyone." The partnership extends to a summer program where students learn STEAM (Science, technology, engineering, art and math) skills so that student can go onto college and be successful. Source: The Tennessean March 12th, 2017 (Steveninnashville (talk) 04:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)) @Steveninnashville: Thanks for the feedback. May I suggest that you repost this comment at Talk:Franklin Road Academy so a broader group of editors can discuss your suggestions? Hello Steveninnashville -- I have responded in general terms to your post above at Talk:Franklin Road Academy. As to the specific edits you suggest, I have several personal responses which Billhpike may choose to delete from his talk page. Thanks. I will do as you have suggested. Steveninnashville (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC) I have great cynicism about quotes. Identifying dog whistling is a fool's errand. All we can really go on is documentation including court judgments and press accounts. What people say in court complaints and quotes is all so much posturing. Many people have said they wanted for their children a "classical Christian education" when what they wanted was a lily-white classroom. It's a motte and bailey argument. Claiming that money was a detriment, when there was a stars and bars on the wall is just cow manure. Rhadow (talk) 13:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Hello Rhandow. I don't disagree with you. However,you do have to factor in the time period. I would say in this case that the school was likely formed by a bunch of parents at the church who decided they wanted to create a school due to the time period uprising. People were likely scared, not necessary understanding how busing would influence their families. Like many people they turned to their church, their faith and to the people they knew. If I had a child going to school next to my house then be told that I had to move them across town and change schools, I wouldn't like it one bit. Unfortunately, the motte of the school was a Confederate soldier, which in 1971 had a different view than we have today. Your statement basically is factoring in what we know today and trying to apply that to the past. Look at Franklin High School in Nashville, TN which still has a Rebels as their name. Per their wiki site: Franklin High School, "The school's mascot was a tribute originally meant to honor the confederacy of the civil war. Although Franklin has kept its mascot as the Rebels, the original cartoon of a confederate rebel is banned on school apparel. A big white "F" incased in a maroon circle is used to symbolize Franklin High School instead. This is said to be the "Power F" that distracts from the taboo that the Confederacy is in modern time.". Steveninnashville (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Hello Steveninnashville -- Do you not see the irony in a post that begins, "I don't disagree with you. However ..."? The implication of a school set up to walk around a Supreme Court ruling on public schools seventeen years prior, the Civil Rights Act seven years prior, and in violation of an IRS policy on private schools the previous year is clear to me. As I said before, the quotes mean little to me. Speculation about motivations fifty years after the fact is just that, speculation. To say that these schools were a reaction to the uprising, rather than the uprising itself, is specious. Massive resistance was a well organized movement, not a grassroots effort. The public indignation against symbols of the Confederacy is relatively new, you are correct. The symbolism was the same in 1970, though. A favorite line from before I was born was, "Save your Confederate money, boys; the South's gonna rise again." For some it was a battle cry; for most, a pitiless joke. The current, politically correct, environment asks that people and institutions feel some kind of collective guilt. What is different today is that there are people alive who remember these things. You won't find a Roman Catholic today who feels guilty about the Spanish Inquisition. Yes, I have a personal viewpoint. I try not to let it affect my editing. I waited at the bus stop in 1965 for a bus that took me to a segregated school. The kid who waited with me got on a different bus and went to a different segregated school. The next year, we went to the same school. If we don't learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it. That doesn't mean that guilt has to be the operator. It does mean that we need to publish and discuss it, and not whitewash it away. Rhadow (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Thanks @Rhadow: for your reply. Steve made some good points, but I don't agree with everything he said. Let's continue this discussion at Talk:Franklin Road Academy. Billhpike (talk) 16:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Rhadow. I agree. History needs to be recorded. My issue is the page is one sided. It pulls information and leaves other information out. For example, my point and about leaving out the full quote to change the meaning. We need to record history as it was and how it transited to where we are today. The school itself is quite interesting due to the school mascot and name (Rebels) were formed because of his location to the battle of Nashville but as time passed and society changed it realized they also needed to change. If the school formed today and Mr. Bradshaw was around, I doubt he would have make the same decisions. I see no value in making the school seem like being Rebels of the past (when they were formed) makes them who they are today (Panthers). So, let's work together and make I would think that the best way is to the progression of the school(s) as a good history lesson on how times have changed. On a personal side, I'll share that my kids are black and I'm white. My kids go to a public school with a majority of white students. I see discrimination and know what it looks like for them. Every time they get in a car they worry about getting pulled over and shot. Steveninnashville (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Billhpike, you are a wise and wonderful peacemaker. Rhadow (talk) 22:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

For all you do. Rhadow (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

How do you know a ...

Not by the Christian label anymore. When they have gun raffles and hunt benefits. Rhadow (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Segregation academies

I’d be grateful for a source or some more information on these mamy segregation academies you say Florida has. Not according to Segregation academy. deisenbe (talk) 09:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: See Category:Segregation academies in Florida Billhpike (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for East Holmes Academy

On 15 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article East Holmes Academy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that, in 1989, East Holmes Academy offered to forfeit a football game because the opponent had a black player? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/East Holmes Academy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, East Holmes Academy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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		This applies in particular (if belatedly) to your editing at Franklin Road Academy, and more broadly to your contributions to school articles. Cheers, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Many of these school's try to whitewash their past, but this shameful chapter of American history needs to be remembered. Billhpike (talk) 02:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hammond School

Please continue this discussion at Talk:Hammond School (South Carolina)

Please note that the quote cited (citation 12) was taken out of context and only a small portion of the actual quote from the LA Times was incorporated; thus leaving the reader with an inaccurate impression of what was actually said. Please review citation in full as it should incorporate Mrs. Black's entire comments. .— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf I live in Columbia, South Carolina and am an education writer. Coincidentally, I was born and raised in Monroeville, AL, a town referenced (Monroe Academy)in an LA Times article cited in Hammond School's page. In reading the article, I noticed that only one small phrase from Mrs. Black's quote was included, thereby misleading the reader as to her intent. The following is her quote in full: In 1982, one parent told that LA Times that she enrolled her children at Hammond Academy because "The fact that there were no blacks at Hammond was immaterial to us. Our children had been in a mixed class and it did not bother us at all. But we were caught in turbulent times. Integration had turned the public schools upside down."[12] The only portion of her quote originally included in the Hammond article was: "Integration had turned the public schools upside down. Her comments appear to be skewed so as to mislead the reader.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) @Jeanmorrisf: In the article, Professor Robert Bills also says that views such as those of Carol Black are not "always unconscious racism." Billhpike (talk) 01:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC) @Billhpike...for argument's sake, though you mention "not always unconscious racism", why not include the quote in its entirety, rather than leave the reader to believe Mrs. Black's statement was purely racist in nature? Coincidentally, the reason the quote stood out to me is because I know Mrs. Black's children remained in the public school system for several years until the curricular level denigrated such that her children were simply repeating prior grade level work. When taken out of context, the phrase certainly lends itself to one interpretation only.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) I notice also that you reverted an appropriate change to the following quote: In 2017, the city of Columbia approved a plan to add 26,000 square feet (2,400 m2) of buildings to the campus, including an enlarged gym and new classroom wing.[24] Citation [24] clearly states "an expanded gym and new two-story classroom building". The article and public hearing announcements clearly state it is a stand alone building rather than a classroom wing. This was a point of consternation among neighbors and a nearby public school petitioning to build at the same time. Many references are available to refute your "classroom wing" point.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) @Jeanmorrisf: Why did you create a Wikipedia account specifically to edit this article? Do you have any connection with this school? Are you aware of past behavior of editors claiming to be affiliated with the school? Billhpike (talk) 04:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)Jeanmorrisf, you appear to be having a content dispute with Billhpike on one or more articles. The more appropriate place to have these discussions would be the talk pages of the respective articles. Thanks. Also please sign your posts. Id also add that Bill's question above seems very on point. John from Idegon (talk) 05:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC) @Billhpike I am actually in the process of writing an article about Monroeville, AL's Monroe High School (my mother attended with Harper Lee). As I mentioned earlier, Monroe Academy and another resident of Monroeville feature in the LA Times article. The citation didn't appear to me to match what was printed on Hammond's site nor on another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) So the LA Times article led you the the Wikipedia Article on the Hammond School? And you happen to know about specific non-public academic issues that faced the children of the women in a 35 year old LA Times article? Please stop creating new sections for every comment. Instead, reply within the existing section. Billhpike (talk) 05:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC) My apologies for creating new sections. Actually, yes. As I mentioned, the article references my my mother's hometown and Columbia. I am a freelance copywriter and graphic designer. In fact, I do indeed know about issues that faced a woman in a 35 year-old article. I am in that age bracket and attended Brennen Elementary School with Mrs. Black's son. I am not attempting to argue with you, nor am I vandalizing your article. Simply pointing out inconsistencies that a seasoned researcher would find. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) @Jeanmorrisf: So you found the LA Times article and the used it to find the Wikipedia article which doesn’t mention Monroe Academy? Your first reaction was to create a Wikipedia account, attempt to upload this copyrightedd image twice, got caught by the commons copyvio abuse filter? So you then reported the abuse filter was blocking you from uploading your “own work” and decided remove the old image yourself from Wikipedia? I’m having trouble believing any professional writer would blatantly attempt to violate copyright like you just did. I’ll file the sock puppet report in the morning. Billhpike (talk) 05:43, 26 January 2018 (UTC) Struck my comment and assuming good faith Billhpike (talk) 06:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC) Actually the article does mention Monroe Academy: "At Monroe Academy several weeks ago, the film "To Kill a Mockingbird" was shown. Harper Lee, author of the Pulitzer-Pnze-winning novel which depicts racist attitudes in a small southern town grew up in Mon roeville. Everyone here assumes the book was drawn from her knowledge of her hometown, and they speak or it with pride. "The kids all liked the movie," one of the academy students said. "But we felt it wasn't right the way they treated the colored man. It really wasn't just." Please re-read. As for the photograph, I took the photograph for use in an article in a Columbia magazine which featured independent schools. I can certainly provide appropriate references. Again, I am not attempting to argue with you. You appear to be a well respected member of the Wikipedia community. And I absolutely own the rights to that photograph and can prove such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanmorrisf (talk • contribs) @Jeanmorrisf: If you took the photo, please upload a high quality version so we can use it in the article. Billhpike (talk) 16:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC) I am happy to upload my original digital files for inclusion in the article. Should I upload beneath this message, or within the article? Thank you. Jeanmorrisf Hammond School Thanks for uploading the image. It is a good quality photo and I've added it to the article. If you want to continue this discussion, please post at Talk:Hammond School (South Carolina)Billhpike (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Preparatory academy

The euphemism is one of most wonderful -- and dangerous -- elements of our language. I applaud your tackling the use of preparatory, but I fear it is foll's errand.

Accel Schools, an education management organization commonly names its primary schools preparatory. It's their right. They are enjoined from naming a grade school university. Ask Trump about the misleading use of university. Prep is not yet so precisely defined. If the school is offering AP courses, then I figure it should get a pass. Rhadow (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rhadow: The founder's of Indianola Academy were honest and acknowledged that some students "aren’t going to college"

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