Template talk:Western name order

Still confusing

Instead of someone known as Abba Baab in one place and Baab Abba in another place, please make a template where it's like… "This person's family name is Baab and this person's individual name is Abba. This article uses Western name order when mentioning individuals." (See, this is why Wikipedia needs someone like me, someone dumb & easily confused, to spot these things.) Jikybebna (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Serious defect: no provision for link to article about naming custom in question

I seem to remember (but I might be wrong) that the template (or its predecessor) once contained such a link or provision (e.g. to Hungarian names). In any case it's needed, for reasons I hope are obvious. And do other similar templates share this defect? 151.177.58.208 (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Template:Family name hatnote and Template:Icelandic name/doc have such links, so they should be possible. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Japanese name

There should be a separate hatnote for Japanese name. Aside from the usual birth name, there should be Japanese name for adoptees, married people (not only just for women, but also in rare instances for men) and both. Ishagaturo (talk) 06:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ishagaturo, for Japanese names, see {{Family name hatnote}} (or {{Family name footnote}}, which I generally prefer). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:49, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Footnote

I wish that this template were converted to a footnote instead of a hatnote. That would better avoid giving undue prominence to an ultimately trivial piece of information, and would fit better as it would not muddle the navigational purpose of hatnotes. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 19 October 2023

Add the following TemplateData to the template:

{
   "description": "",
   "params": {
       "1": {
           "label": "Native name form",
           "description": "The name's form in the subject's native language",
           "type": "string",
           "suggested": true
       }
   }
}

LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 22:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

“ This article uses Western name order when mentioning individuals.”

This claim appears in a lot of articles about Japanese people, for instance, thanks to this template. But it’s not Wikipedia’s actual policy or practice to use Western name order for whole articles, right? No-one’s writing “Jinping Xi” just because he’s mentioned in an article about a Japanese person.  Shinzo Abe’s article mentions “Xi Jinping”, and Yeonmi Park’s article mentions “Kim Jong Un”. Which makes sense, because Wikipedia is using the common name for each of these four people. But the two articles have this hatnote claiming that they’ll use Western name order. My vote is that this sentence should be removed from the template and possibly replaced with something along the lines of “This article uses Western name order for this individual”. Call apogee say aardvark (talk) 22:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Call apogee say aardvark I agree – I’ve always wondered about that when I encountered this message. I started writing an edit request to change it – I was going to suggest replacing

when mentioning individuals

by

for {{#if:{{{1|}}}|this name|its subject}}}}

(so the message makes sense whether an argument is specified or not). But now I'm thinking: Even though they shouldn’t have, if people did apply Western name order throughout an article regardless of the individual and added this template to point that out, then the change would make things worse. Not sure what best to do about that, just a thought ... Joriki (talk) 19:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)