Template talk:Infobox song contest national year

Image?

Is there a reason that this template doesn't allow for an image? --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 17:17, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Conductor

In light of the inaugural Eurovision Choir of the Year competition this year, it seems like a field should be added for the conductor. This naturally wouldn't be a complicated issue, merely the addition of another field "Conductor" which would not appear unless specified. It could also be used for early Eurovision entries which used conductors. Opinions? — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 12:07, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Changes to the documentation

Hi Euro-Wiki-Fam! I just came across some new pages for the ABU Song Contest that were using {{Infobox Eurovision Song Contest National Year}} the editor had no clue about {{Infobox song contest national year}}. I'm recommending we overhaul the documentation to mainly focus on {{Infobox song contest national year}} with a section about {{Infobox Eurovision Song Contest National Year}} so when new editors create articles for competitions other than Eurovision they will be able to use the right template. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 17:16, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

New navigation button for 2019 and 2021 entries

Currently all entries link to just their previous and next entries. This also includes links to the 2020 contest which obviously got cancelled. As this contest didn't actually happen, I propose adding a separate button to link from 2019 entries to 2021 entries and vice-versa, since some people might not be interested in the cancelled 2020 entry. Hopefully these images will give a general idea. Thoughts? — TheThomanski | t | c | 23:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 January 2021

Change both {{Flag|{{{Country}}}}}'s to {{Flag|{{{Country}}}|{{{Flag|{{{f|}}}}}}}}.

This adds a new parameter which I can use to display the historically correct flag in the infoboxes on pages like Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Eurovision Song Contest 1993 — TheThomanski | t | c | 11:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

|f= is not a good name for this parameter. Please choose a name that matches the function of the parameter, following the pattern used in other infoboxes, and test it in this template's sandbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Hi, I mainly intend to use |Flag= as a parameter. I used |f= as an alias since it is also used in Template:Esc where it has a similar function.

Just {{Flag|{{{Country}}}|{{{Flag|}}}}} is also fine. — TheThomanski | t | c | 15:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I recommend using |Flag variant=, since |variant= is the standard parameter used in flag templates, and this template uses capitalized parameters with spaces between the words. It is best to match the pattern used within a given template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: So {{Flag|{{{Country}}}|{{{Flag variant|}}}}} then? That would be great if you could do that. I have tested it on the sandbox page and it appears to be working correctly. — TheThomanski | t | c | 21:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Change country link

After a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision § Country link in "country in the contest year" articles, I have changed the infobox to link to (for example) Switzerland in the Eurovision Song Contest rather than just Switzerland, if such an article exists. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Clean up code for next/prev link

The /Year template contained a bunch of the repeated code {{#if: {{{Competition|}}} | {{{Country|}}} in the {{{Competition|}}} | {{{Country|}}} in the {{{Contest|}}} Eurovision Song Contest}} to get the link to the next/previous article. On the sandbox I've replaced this all with simply {{{Base page name}}} and set that from the main template. This way the base page name only has to be set once and not lots of times. I've tested the sandbox changes and copy-pasting it to the main template should be fine. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 20:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Fix prev/next link

I fixed an issue in the sandbox where the prev/next year link at the bottom of the infobox was incorrect (as User:Tai123.123 pointed out here). There are multiple parameters that are supposed to make up that link but I forgot one of them earlier. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 02:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Usage

Just opened a discussion on the template’s usage at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Dates in Template:Infobox song contest national year. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 10:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Template doesn't change Country link depending on the contest

"Contest = Junior" doesn't change the link of the "Country" row to the corresponding contest. Example: Poland in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022. 𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 00:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 23 August 2024

Participating broadcaster: I opened a discussion about adding the Participating broadcaster to this infobox at the project talk page. I have already added it on the sandbox and I have tested it with the testcases. If someone could please merge it, I'll update the documentation as well.

I only added the new parameter as the number one, so I needed to renumber the rest of them. Ferclopedio (talk) 19:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 August 2024

Add

| label2 = Broadcaster | data2 = {{{Broadcaster|}}}

into the code, and raise the values above 2 by one, as to include the broadcaster value in the template — IмSтevan ^talk 14:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

No edits should be made until the discussion has run its course. Grk1011 (talk) 15:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. – BrandonXLF (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

One user dissending and not being able to provide a legitimate reason as to why does not mean that consensus has not been achieved — IмSтevan ^talk 16:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a consensus from other users for this change at this time, but feel free to reopen the request if one is achieved. – BrandonXLF (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@BrandonXLF: Here is the discussion — IмSтevan ^talk 07:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Just to say that this request is the same as the previous one, that the changes are already made in the sandbox and tested in the testcases, and that they just need to be merged. Ferclopedio (talk) 21:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 30 August 2024

Description of suggested change: I have added a value that includes an image in the infobox of country's Eurovision heart, which is the countries' current identities, as demonstrated by https://eurovision.tv/countries. These hearts act as visual identifiers. I have also included an option to opt out of using an image, in case that is ever needed.

The suggested version can be found on Template:Infobox song contest national year/sandbox/2, as /sandbox is already occupied due to an ongoing discussion. The lines of code that are commented out are the subject of said discussion — IмSтevan ^talk 11:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Also standardized lowercase letters for values, as is done on most templates, without removing uppercase options — IмSтevan ^talk 16:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

The use of heart-flags has its own discussion, and right now it has more opposition than support. Furthermore, its use here like that will cause us more problems than help (mainly anachronism to all pre-2015 articles).

Your new "header1" will add more confusion to the infofox as the participating broadcaster is not only a mere broadcaster.

And the participating broadcaster should go first, as it is in the sandbox, because of everything we have talked about ""EBU member from country". Ferclopedio (talk) 08:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

This is not true, as the discussion was regarding using the hearts in tables in articles, not in the infobox as an identifying feature, which is what this edit is. There isn't an issue with pre-2015 articles, as hearts are used even to discuss countries' participation prior (see the link above)

Value of header1 is commented out, so what confusion is it adding?

Participating broadcaster is also commented out, pending discussion — IмSтevan ^talk 08:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I have added a value that allows custom alteration of the heart, to fit the year in which the country participated, as demonstrated:

Eurovision Song Contest 1993
Country	Bosnia and Herzegovina
National selection
Selection process	BH Eurosong 1993
Selected entrant	Fazla
Selected song	"Sva bol svijeta"
Selected songwriters	Edin Dervišhalidović Fahrudin Pecikoza
Finals performance
Final result	16th, 27 points
Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Eurovision Song Contest
1993 • 1994►

— IмSтevan ^talk 09:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

So, if the discussion is not about the use of hear-flags as an identifying feature, which is what it seems reading the discussion, then there has been no discussion about this.

The use of heart-flags on the eurovision.tv site is about using the heart as a brand for marketing purposes, not as a reference to historical accuracy, which the page does not intend, and which Wikipedia as an encyclopedia has to comply with. The page also uses the current logos of broadcasters for old appearances and even identifies them incorrectly in some cases. Using the logo here when it didn't even exist makes no sense whatsoever. Ferclopedio (talk) 10:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. If they are using them for marketing purposes, then people will most easily visually identify the country and the article's relation to Eurovision using them — IмSтevan ^talk 12:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

When I say marketing purposes, I mean for marketing the ongoing contest using the current brand usage guidelines, this can not be applied retroactively. The site is designed by a marketing agency and they don't care.

The reason you didn't use the current version of the B&H flag for your own 1993 example is the same reason for not using the post-2015 heart there.

Also, the heart logo is little known to the general public outside the Eurovision fan world and apart from the event logo, it has been used very rarely on TV broadcasts of the contest to identify countries. Ferclopedio (talk) 08:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hard disagree on every point — IмSтevan ^talk 10:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Ferclopedio that we haven't discussed this heart/flag use in the infobox yet as the other discussion was about the tables. This is also a seldom watched page, so I'd suggest you start a thread on WT:ESC to establish consensus first. Probably unsurprisingly, I don't support the heart/flag in this context either. Grk1011 (talk) 00:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)