Template:Did you know nominations/Hurricane Arthur

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 08:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hurricane Arthur

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• ... that Hurricane Arthur was the earliest recorded hurricane to strike the U.S. state of North Carolina during a calendar year?

• Reviewed: Golgota Picnic

Created by TheAustinMan (talk). Nominated by 12george1 (talk) at 18:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC).

• Sorry, but the hook makes no sense. What can that possibly mean? Are there times a hurricane can strike outside of a calendar year -- some kind of extracalary days or something? EEng (talk) 04:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

• It means that the hurricane struck NC earlier in the year than any other known storm. Agree that the hook needs to be reworked, but I'm not sure how to do it; everybody seems to have their own opinion of how this exact type of thing should be presented. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I think I figured it out. Are you saying

• ALT1 ... that no other hurricane has struck North Carolina as early in the calendar year as did Hurricane Arthur?

It's subtle, but believe it or not "the calendar year" is way different from a calendar year. I know it seems backwards but the is right for what you mean. Also, we don't normally explain that a US state is a US state. EEng (talk) 03:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I know you left this comment like a week ago, but yes, the alt hook proposed means the same thing.--12george1 (talk) 02:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Honestly the original hook is unintelligible to me. If you're happy with ALT1 let's use that. EEng (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Full review needed. Note that I have added "other" to ALT1, since there's an inherent contradiction without it, and struck the original hook per EEng's objections. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Although the hook claim is made in the first sentence of the lead, it is not cited and I cannot find the claim repeated in the body of the article. The most amazing thing is that the year "2014" is not mentioned in the article either (only in the infobox). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• The claim was repeated in the article. "Hurricane Arthur was the earliest recorded landfalling North Carolina hurricane,[62]". I'm not sure why mentioning 2014 is a big deal at this point, but I fixed that problem.--12george1 (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• I missed that. As for your reference #62, it takes me to a New York Times article "Outer Banks Mops Up and Counts Storm’s Cost" which does not mention your hook fact. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Guys (and gals): Referring to refs by as e.g. [62] or #62 is a recipe for confusion, since the #s shift with article editing. The only sensible way to do that is in conjunction with a Permalink (from the menu to the left of every page). EEng (talk) 18:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I replaced the New York Times article with something that actually mentions the fact.--12george1 (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• The article is new enough and long enough. The ALT1 hook fact is now cited to a reliable source. No policy violations detected. Multiple people have contributed to this article and none are listed under "DYKmake". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)