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The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 16:16, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

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AIDS in New York City edit

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Created by Ortiz2028 (talk), Doctorxgc (talk), and Mozucat (talk). Nominated by Bluerasberry (talk) at 01:19, 5 July 2016 (UTC).

  • I'm sorry, but while this article shows a lot of enthusiasm, it still needs a lot of work before it meets DYK standards. Lots of it is about HIV/AIDS in general (not just in NYC) and the timeline, completely unsourced, says lots of things like "X resigned because he distrusted Y". And there have to be better hooks than the above. EEng 21:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Alternate hook:"...that a decade of LGBT community protest and activism preciptated the decline of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in New York City after 1994?"--Pharos (talk) 18:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Much better hook, but the article is still bloated with general HIV/AIDS material not really on topic. EEng 22:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
It's a question of judgement, but much of the general American HIV/AIDS story, including the medical research aspect, does have a major NYC historical component. It's something that would benefit from a larger discussion and more eyes.--Pharos (talk) 00:07, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Full DYK review needed, keeping in mind earlier comments. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:29, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
  • The first sentence is literally "HIV/AIDS in New York City."? Whu??
  • I have no problems with the content and context of AIDS that is currently in the article it is tied to NY one way or the other and helps tell the full story of it, it gives context to the reader, so that is not excessive (not sure if this has been edited after the original comments, but current version looks okay to me)
  • There is a "Citation Needed" tag, has to be addressed
  • Obviously long enough
  • Sources - there are several paragraphs without sources in the article. Needs to be addressed. Since you chose to go with a timeline, bullet list layout I am afraid each bullet point needs a source too.
  • Hooks - main and ALT2 come off as a bit dull or generic (not sure what an "LGBT response" is) and while Alt1 is better it still needs to be worked on - "Early police"
  • QPQ done
  • Timing is okay on this.
  • Generally well written other than the lead issue I found.
  • Copyvio check - The tool pinged on various similarities. I went over all of them and found most of the similarities were on names or generic terms such as " leading cause of death" etc. I don't think that's a problem. And some quotes naturally but overall it looks okay
  • So source work and some work on either Alt1 wording or a totally different hook is what is needed.  MPJ-DK  20:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
MPJ-DK, what do you think of the other hook, that I proposed above: "...that a decade of LGBT community protest and activism preciptated the decline of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in New York City after 1994?"Pharos (talk) 20:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Pharos I had not seen that one, sorry. So looking at this the crux is "precipitated" and the LGBT community. I don't doubt protests and activism helped - but the only thing i can find in the article is "Improvements of both drug therapies and prevention education" unless I missed it? So I don't see the hook in the article? Can you help me find it perhaps it is worded in a way where I may have missed it?  MPJ-DK  20:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • I want to acknowledge the conversation happening right now but I need to bow out of this discussion. I am mostly away from wiki for the next week. I can re-engage then if the matter is ongoing. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
  • @Ortiz2028, Doctorxgc, Mozucat, and Bluerasberry: SO no activity since August 27, if there is no work done on this in the next couple of days I would consider this nomination abandoned and I will close it.  MPJ-DK  02:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks MPJ-DK for your help and attention to this nomination. Work related to this project off-wiki has called our attention away from it, but we will return to this by the end of the week. Mozucat (talk) 13:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Giving until the end of the weekend for some progress to be made, after another ten days of inaction. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
BlueMoonset I am exhausted with other things and unable to commit time to this. Perhaps this nomination should be closed. BlueMoonset, thanks for your patience. We are presenting this article next week at the WikiConference in San Diego, California]. It seems like at this point we have examples to share about Wikipedia's quality control process, so thanks for reminding us of the need to emphasize that. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Bluerasberry, thanks for letting us know. Best of luck at the WikiConference. Marking this nomination for closure; issues have not been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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